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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by journo » Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:31 pm

suckadmin wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:05 pm
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Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:57 am
Why did people wait until an election year to make a big stink about home prices as if any major presidential candidate is meaningfully different on this issue.
Not that housing isn't an issue but where is it being made an election year issue?
On YouTube, TikTok, and Facebook collectively, there's dozens to hundreds of popular videos coming out monthly of young adults complaining about home prices, sometimes through street interviews, where they interview upper-middle-class-looking old people asking for specific numbers on how much their first home cost, make a face to the camera, and then acting like this difference is some new thing. And then often correlating it to the last 4 years. It's become such a huge trend that even random street people are avoiding the questioning now, like its some TikTok inquisition going around. Trends like that develop on tiktok, and this one is still in full swing. It's not a coincidence this is all happening in an election year is my opinion. But my point is the issue they are complaining about has been going on consistently since at the least the mid-1800s in the USA, when you could 100% buy a 3 bedroom habitable house for an average years wage, compared to a minimum of 5x an average wage that now.

On Reddit I've been seeing some Republicans LARP as Democrats complaining about home prices in subreddits of young people and blaming it on Biden. It's not particularly sophisticated, as in they don't hide their post histories, so if you point it out their post histories to them they just delete their post.

Also I've been browing the r/genx and r/millennial subs lately and the chief price related complaint is home prices, as it would be expected for the most populous demographics in America, but this was not something posting regularly before this year.

But yea neither of the major candidates have made it an issue, but it's being used, mostly starting this year, by young adult supporters and detractors en masse both for political and non-political purposes. Third parties have tried to capitalize on the increased awareness, with the Jill Stein for example putting guaranteed housing as a top 3 priority, as mentioned in a prior post. And that is historical for American third parties. This was not a platform priority in past GP campaigns.

I saw none of this prior to a few months ago. And I was searching for it before, with few talking about it other than vague references to "yea affordable housing is an issue, sucks" among local activists and some think tanks. The only people who I saw made this a big deal on social media before this year to a meaningful extent were small, heavily looked-down-upon, and criminalized/stigmatized groups like UK squatter activists.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by suckadmin » Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:46 pm

journo wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:31 pm

On YouTube, TikTok, and Facebook collectively, there's dozens to hundreds of popular videos coming out monthly of young adults complaining about home prices, sometimes through street interviews, where they interview upper-middle-class-looking old people asking for specific numbers on how much their first home cost, make a face to the camera, and then acting like this difference is some new thing. And then often correlating it to the last 4 years. It's become such a huge trend that even random street people are avoiding the questioning now, like its some TikTok inquisition going around. Trends like that develop on tiktok, and this one is still in full swing. It's not a coincidence this is all happening in an election year is my opinion. But my point is the issue they are complaining about has been going on consistently since at the least the mid-1800s in the USA, when you could 100% buy a 3 bedroom habitable house for an average years wage, compared to a minimum of 5x an average wage that now.

On Reddit I've been seeing some Republicans LARP as Democrats complaining about home prices in subreddits of young people and blaming it on Biden. It's not particularly sophisticated, as in they don't hide their post histories, so if you point it out their post histories to them they just delete their post.

Also I've been browing the r/genx and r/millennial subs lately and the chief price related complaint is home prices, as it would be expected for the most populous demographics in America, but this was not something posting regularly before this year.

But yea neither of the major candidates have made it an issue, but it's being used, mostly starting this year, by young adult supporters and detractors en masse both for political and non-political purposes. Third parties have tried to capitalize on the increased awareness, with the Jill Stein for example putting guaranteed housing as a top 3 priority, as mentioned in a prior post. And that is historical for American third parties. This was not a platform priority in past GP campaigns.

I saw none of this prior to a few months ago. And I was searching for it before, with few talking about it other than vague references to "yea affordable housing is an issue, sucks" among local activists and some think tanks. The only people who I saw made this a big deal on social media before this year to a meaningful extent were small, heavily looked-down-upon, and criminalized/stigmatized groups like UK squatter activists.
I have seen some of the videos you mention but I feel like the concern about the cost of housing has been going on for years. It's relates to how wages have stagnated and there has been movement on increasing minimum wage but of course even if minimum wage is adjusted for inflation now if you've been working for decades for less you won't have savings for a down payment. Or if you owe a hundred grand for student loans you won't have the down payment for a house and there's been loan forgiveness in the US so that might help some.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by Strelnikov » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:17 am

Back to it: https://www.alternet.org/judge-orders-trump/

'No reason for any further delay': Judge orders Trump to to be deposed in ABC lawsuit

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President-elect Donald Trump will have to interrupt his own presidential transition process next week in order to comply with a federal judge's order.

Politico reported Friday that U.S. Magistrate Judge Lisette Reid (of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida) is ordering both Trump and ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos to sit for depositions lasting four hours, as part of Trump's ongoing libel lawsuit against the network. In her order Reid specifically noted that Trump being president-elect of the United States won't let him off the hook in complying with the court's orders.
Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by Cla68 » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:55 pm

Strelnikov wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:17 am
Back to it: https://www.alternet.org/judge-orders-trump/

'No reason for any further delay': Judge orders Trump to to be deposed in ABC lawsuit

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President-elect Donald Trump will have to interrupt his own presidential transition process next week in order to comply with a federal judge's order.

Politico reported Friday that U.S. Magistrate Judge Lisette Reid (of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida) is ordering both Trump and ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos to sit for depositions lasting four hours, as part of Trump's ongoing libel lawsuit against the network. In her order Reid specifically noted that Trump being president-elect of the United States won't let him off the hook in complying with the court's orders.
ABC conceded https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/gene ... ngNewsSerp . Stephanopoulos immediately deleted his Twitter/X account.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:09 pm

Cla68 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:55 pm
Stephanopoulos immediately deleted his Twitter/X account.
Fear not, he'll be back, either there or on Bluesky. Addicts gonna addict.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by Cla68 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:05 pm

You might have heard the story yesterday about Colombia refusing two illegal alien repatriation flights on military aircraft. Trump threatened them on social media while golfing, and before he had finished his round, Colombia had backed off. American media, pundits, and politicians don't appear to understand an important facet of the issue, however.

The Latin American governments, for the most part, don't publicly reject the repatriation of their citizens who illegally entered the US. What they do object to is the use of military aircraft. US military policy when transporting prisoners apparently requires them to be shackled with chains for the safety and security of the aircraft and its crew. Latin American governments, and likely their populaces, don't like seeing their citizens walking off of the airplanes in chains. Since Trump is trying to conduct a robust repatriation program, the use of military aircraft, however, will likely be necessary so he probably won't be able or willing to bend to the Latin American government's wishes to keep the deportees from being chained in military aircraft. The Trump administration may eventually switch to charter airliners for the deportations, like World Atlantic Airlines and the like, but it may take awhile.

I saw an interview with Tom Homan on the news today and he said their goal is to arrest/detain an average of 1,500 illegal aliens a day. Crunching the numbers, you can see that that amounts to about 500,000 people deported in a year. So, that's two million people deported during Trump's second term. Since there are an estimated 20 million illegal aliens in the US, it means if you're one of them you only have a 10% chance of being deported over the next four years. I think at the peak of repatriations under Obama, they deported 400,000 people in one year. So, 500,000 should be easily doable. However, it means that deporting all 20 million, at that pace, would take 40 years. Not likely to happen.

I imagine that Trump's/Homan's task force will focus on aliens who have had an interaction with the police, even if the charges were dropped or if it was only a traffic ticket. That's because it gives them an address.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by ericbarbour » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:13 am

Cla68 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:05 pm
I imagine that Trump's/Homan's task force will focus on aliens who have had an interaction with the police, even if the charges were dropped or if it was only a traffic ticket. That's because it gives them an address.
Pissing off the Colombians is nothing. Apparently the geniuses from ICE are going around harassing native Americans, mostly Navajo, in Arizona and demanding their papers. And detaining some of them. And don't seem to understand that tribal ID documents are as valid as a passport. ICE has done stupid things before but this might prove to be the ultimate shitshow, and the order came "straight from the top".

The Navajo have lived in the land now known as the United States of America for a THOUSAND YEARS OR MORE. They were living in Arizona before Leif Erickson reached Newfoundland, and about 500 years before Columbus. Yet someone in the DOJ wants to claim they are "undocumented illegal immigrants". Immigrated from where and illegal how? Where are the geniuses going to send these "illegals"?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navaj ... index.html
https://azmirror.com/2025/01/24/reports ... l-leaders/
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reido ... rcna189491

Please tell us this is not outright racism.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by Cla68 » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:55 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:13 am
Cla68 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:05 pm
I imagine that Trump's/Homan's task force will focus on aliens who have had an interaction with the police, even if the charges were dropped or if it was only a traffic ticket. That's because it gives them an address.
Pissing off the Colombians is nothing. Apparently the geniuses from ICE are going around harassing native Americans, mostly Navajo, in Arizona and demanding their papers. And detaining some of them. And don't seem to understand that tribal ID documents are as valid as a passport. ICE has done stupid things before but this might prove to be the ultimate shitshow, and the order came "straight from the top".

The Navajo have lived in the land now known as the United States of America for a THOUSAND YEARS OR MORE. They were living in Arizona before Leif Erickson reached Newfoundland, and about 500 years before Columbus. Yet someone in the DOJ wants to claim they are "undocumented illegal immigrants". Immigrated from where and illegal how? Where are the geniuses going to send these "illegals"?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navaj ... index.html
https://azmirror.com/2025/01/24/reports ... l-leaders/
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reido ... rcna189491

Please tell us this is not outright racism.
This doesn't appear to be happening on the reservation, it's happening in predominantly immigrant communities around New Mexico and Arizona. When the Feds sweep into a neighborhood looking for illegal aliens, they'll ask everyone they encounter for their papers, especially if they look Hispanic. This has been happening for years. In fact, it was the entire premise of the 1987 Cheech and Chong song and subsequent movie "Born in East LA." Trump declared the program a "national emergency" which means that law enforcement is given greater leeway in its activities, including asking citizens they encounter to prove their citizenship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUFw1GH6ic

By the way, I forgot to mention that the Trump administration will try to bump up the numbers of repatriations by encouraging illegals to self-deport. They'll do so by ending or reducing government benefits to illegals, making it harder for them to find work, and banning them from reentry, legal or otherwise, for a certain number of years if they're deported.

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:07 am

and we can't forget this.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-u- ... migration/

Those corporations love the cheap labor. And they're willing to pay lobbyists--guess lobbyists are cheaper than paying decent salaries.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/issues/immigration

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Re: The (new, straight-from-scratch) Trump thread

Post by journo » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:28 pm

Impossible to listen to this interview without facepalming

https://www.foxnews.com/media/vp-vance- ... t-each-one

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