Graaf Statler wrote:Oh. Doesn't he has other hobby's? Grandchildren, garden, ping pong., drinking, bowing...........
Maybe he's an old, lonely, sour no-lifer, craving some attention.
Graaf Statler wrote:Oh. Doesn't he has other hobby's? Grandchildren, garden, ping pong., drinking, bowing...........
Gaslighted wrote:Maybe he's an old, lonely, sour no-lifer, craving some attention.
Vigilant@Wikipediocracy wrote:So, here at the end of time, we see that the case is all about Laura Hale and her undisclosed, paid, conflict-of-interest editing while being protected by multiple wiki insiders, the Chair of the board, a trust and safety member and a member of ARBCOM.
Would FramGate have even happened if this information had been known at the outset?
Conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice would be the charge for the complainants if this were a court of law.
You fuckers owe Fram a massive apology.
Vigilant wrote:Given what I've dug up and posted here, I would emphatically say that Laura Hale was the sole reason for this action and that all other concerns were used for masking, poorly, her involvement.
Jbhunley wrote:There is some evidence albeit circumstantial..........I have a pretty good argument that LH was the linchpin of the FRAMBAN as well. Combine the two and there is a strong inference to be made in support of Vigilant statements.
All that claimed evidence and supposed strong argument, spread over 100+ posts in multiple threads.Eagle wrote:The community still does not know the timeline of the relevant events.
Everybody is waiting for you to present your feces so they can sample it.Shit or get off the pot.
ericbarbour wrote:And you owe me a new keyboard. Butthead.
Gee, it's almost as if the WMF weren't trying to silence a critic and cover up high level corruption? It seems to me like they were trying to send a message. Take out a prominent bad actor, and hope the shock results in a permanent reset as far as what en.wiki considers minimal acceptable standards.Vigilant wrote:Even better, if Fram's desysop stands because of the new interpretation and enforcement of WP:ADMINCOND, I suspect the long knives will come out for other admins who've tried to do the right thing in the face of undisclosed paid editors and SPAs.
It'll be a god damned free for all.
The Buzzfeed article had already noted the alleged "secret romantic connection" according to Wikipediocracy, to no great increase in volume. Nothing significant changed in the level of outrage when this was upgraded by Wikipediocracy to 'believed to be married'.the Buzzfeed article came out before we learned that the person who was by far the most likely complainant against Fram was married to the Chairperson of the WMF Board of Trustees. It's probably understandable that they hadn't wanted to disclose it, but once that came out, the outcry against the WMF just got to be too much for them (and it was pretty bad already).
Why not ask to read their blog, so you can catch up?Apologies. Thanks for the heads up. I just started to read the Fram thread but it's massive. I really don't know anything about it or Fram so I should probably STFU.
.....looks like you're all caught up already!And I guess I'm not surprised that this happened, after meeting them. And after dealing with other couples like this it's always a freaking nightmare with bad boundaries and abuses of power.
Fram will walk it off.
ARBCOM was mortally wounded.
Trust and Safety dropped a safe on their own toes.
Maria Sefidari is done next election.
Laura Hale will never edit wikipedia again.
Jimbo is seen to be utterly disconnected, yet again.
Katherine Maher is shown to be Marie Antoinette.
Doc James is demonstrably a coward.
The board is seen as feckless for overlooking Laura Hale's obvious COI.
All around, a nice fat body count for the HtD faction here.
ericbarbour wrote:Vigilant@Wikipediocracy wrote:So, here at the end of time, we see that the case is all about Laura Hale and her undisclosed, paid, conflict-of-interest editing while being protected by multiple wiki insiders, the Chair of the board, a trust and safety member and a member of ARBCOM.
Would FramGate have even happened if this information had been known at the outset?
Conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice would be the charge for the complainants if this were a court of law.
You fuckers owe Fram a massive apology.
And you owe me a new keyboard. Butthead.
For the record, I figured Laura Hale's MO back in 2013. No one gave a shit, because Wikimedia Australia has always been (AND STILL IS) a joke.
Laura was also deeply involved with Wikinews (DOUBLE ). She's nuts and that is all I have to say.
I would post the Fram "reports of misconduct" from last year, if anyone cares (and if I could cut-paste raw HTML here, which appears not to work).....it's a long and disturbing litany. And Vig is a DAMN FOOL for supporting Fram.
Whups, I found a backup of the now-deleted WP file:
https://wikipedia-health.netlify.com/editor/fram/reports/