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Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by Kumioko » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:00 am

It looks like the WMF just banned another editor. This time it was Kompowiec2 who only had 7,059 so the WMF is sticking to their policy of only banning people with low edit counts and no support structure.

It looks like this fellow was already banned by the EnWP arbcom back in 10 February 2014. They've done some editing on Commons as recently as July 2019 but I don't see anything obvious that shows what they did to get banned.

Here is the URL: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Kompowiec2
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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by Лаки » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:58 pm

Kumioko wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:00 am
They've done some editing on Commons as recently as July 2019 but I don't see anything obvious that shows what they did to get banned.
Perhaps this revision of his talk page holds the key…

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by Abd » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:05 am

I approved this post, but the speculation is thin. "How to practice child love" is the title of a book (or computer file) that has appeared in many news stories, and many Wikipedians will start articles about something they see in the news. The page in question, "History of Child Pornography" is archived on archive.org, could indicate a possible special interest in child porn, however, all we know here is that the editor touched that page, we do not know the author of the page. The words "Black Cat" and "David Hamilton" occur in the article, and it is possible that the disambig was legit, the user may have seen the page in Recent changes. However: 07:25, 10 February 2014 JzG deleted page History of Child Pornography (Unreferenced apologia for child pornography). This is quite unusual as to deletion policy. The page was indeed unreferenced, but that's not normally enough for instant deletion. If the page was offensive, simply deleting it with nothing more would be odd. He also deleted the Talk page. Essentially, the editor who created the page was hidden by JzG.
Any admin could find out.

Nevertheless, I find this in the end: The user was blocked the same day as the article was deleted, at 08:24, 10 February 2014, with ArbCom appeal necessary. This has the appearance of a Child Protection action. The user continued to be active globally and on Commons, but I saw no sign of child porn interest there. Of course, I might have missed something.

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by boredbird » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:33 am

Kumioko wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:00 am
It looks like the WMF just banned another editor. This time it was Kompowiec2 who only had 7,059 so the WMF is sticking to their policy of only banning people with low edit counts and no support structure.

It looks like this fellow was already banned by the EnWP arbcom back in 10 February 2014. They've done some editing on Commons as recently as July 2019 but I don't see anything obvious that shows what they did to get banned.

Here is the URL: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special ... Kompowiec2
Complaints about Kompowiec2 and several other alleged Wikipedia pedophiles came pouring into Trust and Safety following their ban of Fram.

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by JuiceBeetle » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:12 pm

boredbird wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:33 am
Complaints about Kompowiec2 and several other alleged Wikipedia pedophiles came pouring into Trust and Safety following their ban of Fram.
I wonder how that information came to your knowledge...

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by Abd » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:09 am

Obviously I don't know, but I wondered the same, and because T&S complaints are confidential, this is looking like a complainer telling the story. I have no idea whether Kompoiec2 is or was a pedophile, but I do know that, on occasion, people have been attacked as such when they weren't. It's a cracker-jack accusation, gets people quite riled up, who are not necessarily careful about, you know, evidence and a showing of present risk.

(And boredbird here may simply be repeating a rumor, etc. However, repeating rumors without providing qualification -- such as where the rumor was heard -- is irresponsible. Boredbird stated it as a fact.)

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by boredbird » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 am

Abd wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:09 am
Obviously I don't know…this is looking like…I have no idea…may simply be…

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by JuiceBeetle » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:15 am

Abd wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:09 am
And boredbird here may simply be repeating a rumor, etc.
On WPO there is a thread for pedos, where Katie wrote she made a report to T&S and there was no answer for a month. As someone who does not know those editors it seemed to me that the issues were many years old and current editing patterns were not a clear issue or not an issue at all. That case imho was not a serious issue, although the T&S handling was lackluster, as usual.

The rumor might come from there, but I wonder if there is anything more substantial, that BoredBird is aware of and willing to share.
Note: I don't mind if it's a rumor if that's made clear, or the sources linked so we can check the reliability of the claims. Please don't blame BoredBird: responsibility is not a value that is commonly found in wikipedia culture.

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by Abd » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:02 pm

JuiceBeetle wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:15 am
Abd wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:09 am
And boredbird here may simply be repeating a rumor, etc.
On WPO there is a thread for pedos, where Katie wrote she made a report to T&S and there was no answer for a month. As someone who does not know those editors it seemed to me that the issues were many years old and current editing patterns were not a clear issue or not an issue at all. That case imho was not a serious issue, although the T&S handling was lackluster, as usual.
That does not establish what boredbird reported, as JuiceBeetle points out.
The rumor might come from there, but I wonder if there is anything more substantial, that BoredBird is aware of and willing to share.
Note: I don't mind if it's a rumor if that's made clear, or the sources linked so we can check the reliability of the claims. Please don't blame BoredBird: responsibility is not a value that is commonly found in wikipedia culture.
(1) "Blame" is not a reality in my ontology. As a story, an interpretation, it is generally useless for mature adults.

(2) Responsibility is also an interpretation, but quite a useful one. Those with no responsibility have no power. They go together. Yes, the wiki was a device for avoiding personal responsibility, and this, then, quite well explains what the founder of Wikiversity called "Wikipedia Disease."

On WPO, this is the thread mentioned. It is in a member-only area. I objected to the kind of speculation found in that thread, by Katie, and that is why I was banned from WPO (in 2014, as I recall).

From what is shown there, it appears that the editor in question was 15 when blocked from en.wiki. An interest in the topics is not abnormal from a male of that age, and none of that establishes the person as a "pedophile," but the word is used very, very loosely in popular speech and among Wikipedians. Going after children as pedophiles. Way to go, guys, and this is all part of the story of how Wikipedia criticism falls into the gutter.

I'm far more interested in how BrillLyle came to be banned. Seems she was a whistle-blower. Still active, posted today on WPO.

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Re: Kompowiec2 WMF Banned

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:17 pm

Abd wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:05 am
However: 07:25, 10 February 2014 JzG deleted page History of Child Pornography (Unreferenced apologia for child pornography). This is quite unusual as to deletion policy. The page was indeed unreferenced, but that's not normally enough for instant deletion. If the page was offensive, simply deleting it with nothing more would be odd. He also deleted the Talk page. Essentially, the editor who created the page was hidden by JzG.
This is typical JzG. You've seen all the material from the book wiki, so you know how stupid and sloppy and irrational Guy can be. Calling him a "mature adult" is not really recommended. There are some "mature adults" in the WP gang, but I suspect they have always been in the minority. If anything, since 2010 it has gotten worse/more juvenile.

Get used to their erratic methods of dealing with anything related to "child love". Editing by pedophiles goes back to 2003 at least and will always be one of their important problems.

And if I may, it is my worthless opinion that "Trust and Safety" is a joke operation. Every one of the insiders who performed that duty in the past (notably Cary Bass, Godwin, Beaudette, Alexander) was prone to censorship, silencing criticism, weirdness and general paranoia. Do NOT expect T&S to actually do their "job" properly. But that's only my shitty opinion.

(PS: looked at Kompowiec2's history. He's obviously a Polish "brogrammer" type. His edit histories in various WPs and Wikibooks (most of his edits were on pl.wikibooks.org) appears rather innocuous. There are some spam reports referencing his en-WP account. The only clues are those comments on his talkpage. It appears that the histories have been heavily censored. Otherwise I can find no clear reason for the WMF to "sanfranban" him. Other than "maybe" writing something about "child love".)

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