The Arbitration Committee will only be considering the conduct allegations made in the paper. Any content decisions should be made through the normal editing process, including article talk page discussion, as the Arbitration Committee does not rule on content.
SkepticalHistorian wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:51 pmThese comments that were deleted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1143692357
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With criticism of the removal here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _talk_page
Nail what this is really about.
We have proof that Wikipedia cannot solve a governance problem over a span of 14 years! Forget about the content (judging the content, the insanity of Wikipedia dialog, or the imbroglio) - How embarrassing is a fourteen year governance failure and fester?imbroglio: a violently confused or bitterly complicated altercation : embroilment. d. : an intricate or complicated situation (as in a drama or novel)
Some crazy happened right from the beginning. Tim Shell posted a pile of copyrighted Ayn Rand crap in February 2001, Cunctator showed up in July, legendary Israel-first maniac RK started in September (and ended up triggering an "arbitration" before Arbcom even existed), and Erik Moeller appeared in December. Moeller and Cunctator were major architects behind the forcing-out of Larry Sanger in early 2002. Still....crazy-train was more an exception than the rule.
And had a "run" for twenty years that ended in 2021.. He left a legacy of "nuts" and "narrative framing" all over Wikipedia.legendary Israel-first maniac RK started in September 2001
Feminist Judaism
Huh? "Feminist judaism isn't neopaganism" What are you talking about? You keep reverting my edits to the neopaganism article, but you misunderstand me. My own community is feminist Judaism. Who told you that we are against feminist Judaism? That person is lying to you. I never wrote or edited anything like that. I am writing about something entirely different - people who left the Jewish faith, and who openly admit to worshipping pagan gods. That is neither feminism nor Judaism. RK (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
He should ask ArbCom for an extension to submit this to the Journal of Icewhiz Studies.VolunteerMarek wrote: Icewhiz, Icewhiz, Icewhiz…
I saw this somewhere else recently but don’t remember where:boredbird wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:30 pmVolunteerMarek's "main response".
https://volunteermarek.substack.com/p/m ... -and-klein
He should ask ArbCom for an extension to submit this to the Journal of Icewhiz Studies.VolunteerMarek wrote: Icewhiz, Icewhiz, Icewhiz…
Volunteer Marek: The allegations made against me in Grabowski and Klein’s article are completely false. I have not engaged in any “Holocaust distortion”, on Wikipedia or anywhere else. I am not a “right wing Polish nationalist”. I am not part of some nefarious “Polish conspiracy” on Wikipedia which seeks to manipulate content. All of these accusations are ridiculous and absurd. They are particularly disgusting and vile since they go against everything I believe in... it is crucial to state at the outset what the origins of Grabowski and Klein’s claims are. These accusations originate with a former Wikipedia editor named “Icewhiz” who has been subjecting me to real life harassment for at least the past four years. https://volunteermarek.substack.com/p/m ... -and-klein
Piotrus: Further, while the evidence for "Polish nationalists" driving people away is lacking, there is undeniable proof that Icewhiz himself has been responsible for driving away a number of other editors, something that the essay’s authors are totally ignoring. Those editors include, among others, Poeticbent - author of hundreds of articles on Polish-Jewish topics, including majority of articles on Jewish ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe, or MyMoloboaccount, who suffered a nervous breakdown dealing with Icewhiz’s harassment. Poeticbent described his experience with Icewhiz in an essay of his own, published on Wikipedia on his user page and after clashing with Icewhiz on wiki, left before Icewhiz even engaged in his main off wiki harassment campaign; the nervous breakdown of MyMoloboaccount can be seen in his final edit summaries (“STOP HARASSING ME. YOU RUINED MY LIFE.LEAVE ME AND MY FAMILY ALONE. DELETE MY ACCOUNT. LEAVE ME ALONE”) or the comment here: “The continued harassment by Icewhiz, and wikipedia attacks by François Robere and to lesser extent Levivich has led to severe detoriation of my health, loss of my job and contributed to eventual mini stroke and hospital confimment. As such I have largely decided to leave Wikipedia and will no longer be active. Unlike Piotrus or Volunteer Marek I do not have the mental resilience to withstand such amount of harassment, stalking and attacks.” Alas, in the one-sided account presented in the essay, the voices of Icewhiz’s victims are not heard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus/Response
Question is: Why did Grabowski write that paper, is it an attempt to demonize Poland and obtain Holocaust reparations?Poeticbent: I have little trust in Wikipedia's ability to resolve the grief between the Jewish and Polish Wikipedians by using administrative means; it is not going to be possible given the totality of the antisemitic and polonophobic tropes already published in so-called WP:RS literature. Once created with the best of intentions, the WP:RS guidelines have become a bottomless pit used for trashing and salting out facts not yet peddled by commercial monoliths. The insistence on using only timeworn resources not only prevents newly established facts from being investigated, but also undermines evidence. Research must span a gamut of materials.
The administration can silence editors like me, and allow our adversaries to continue on, because this is all they ‘can’ do. When presented with the mainspace evidence of prejudice, bigotry, and delusional paranoia, they can penalize the dissenters for getting upset about it. They cannot drive out hate. Unlike in academia (or in politics), in Wikipedia, one cannot call the anonymous liar out because that's an “attack,” while the liar’s intentional deception is only a breach of our “verifiability” guideline. In the world of anonymity there are no alternatives for maneuvering. Bowled over, editors who believe in integrity and truthfulness can excuse themselves from further participation. Nothing's going to change just because one guy you came to admire is leaving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Poeticbent
Do you have any evidence that Icewhiz is a "criminal?"SkepticalHistorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:10 pmGrabowski teamed up with a criminal harasser, Icewhiz.
Do you have any evidence that Grabowski will receive Holocaust reparations because of this paper?SkepticalHistorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:10 pmQuestion is: Why did Grabowski write that paper, is it an attempt to demonize Poland and obtain Holocaust reparations?
Raquel Baranow wrote: I, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial.
Raquel Baranow wrote: Hitler sought to remove irrational Jews from German living-space who did not want to assimilate
Jews were kicked out of many countries, Poles didn’t want them either. Many Europeans dislike immigrants, Israel has huge walls, UN had no right to establish Israel, native Palestinians live in concentration camps.boredbird wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:05 amSkepticalHistorian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:10 pmGrabowski teamed up with a criminal harasser, Icewhiz.Raquel Baranow wrote: Hitler sought to remove irrational Jews from German living-space who did not want to assimilate
Put a little love in your heart
(and the world will be a better place)