Again GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation in the EU

[AndrewForson]

... and we notice an almost wilful confusion between Wikipedia, as a (self-proclaimed) compendium of information, and Wikimedia, as a website operator that collects, stores and processes personal information about the users and contributors to Wikipedia.

[Graaf Statler]

In general Wikipedia falls under the journalistic exemption
("publication of ideas, information or opinions"), which means many
rules from the GDPR are dropped. Mostly what remains is just that a
weighing has to be done between the subject's privacy interest and
Wikipedia's own reporting interest. Even the possibility to object to
that decision is dropped in this case, so if, as I assume will happen,
such a request is taken as a reason to re-evaluate that decision, we
are already going beyond the minimum of what the law requires.

--
André Engels, andreengels at gmail.com

Unsurprisingly, it seems Andre is in no position to be making such statements......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andre_Engels

Listen, there have been a article about Andre in the past and he is rewarded by wikimedia-NL because he was and autistic and a Wikipedian. So it's confirmed more than one time this is a autistic guy. He had temper tantrums what made it impossible for him to function as a Arb. André did a secret CU, to cover fraude by the Wikischim, a account used by several Wikipedians. The evidences and link you can find on my blog. Once I have seen he started to write Wikipedia is stom, Wikipedia is stupide on his talk page. He had lost obesely complete track. Whit all respect for Andre, this is not a person who's opinion they must follow. Because autism is a handicap.

Crow opened a topic about mental illness, better it would be to open one about autism. Because I would't call this people mental iil, but they are absolute unsuitable for Wikipedia as it's leaders. And most Dutch wikipedian's are autistic, Sandra confirmed this herself in 2015 of the record to a journalist of De Volkskrant, a leading Dutch newspaper..

It isn't hard to "diagnose" autistic editors. You can see this on there behaving, what he or she consider as interesting and important, and there editing patron. And if you know someone is autistic it's much easier to understand the complete madness of Wikipedia, because it's all rubbish they are telling.
They have to ask the opinion of real professionals, and that was were my fight on Wikiquote was about. But a autist doesn't accept the opinion of a professional, because he or she thinks he or she is the expert, most times without any education in that direction. And that is the drama of Wikipedia, and why it has changed in such a incredible mess.

They have created Wikipedia-NL to a safe place for autistics. But unfortunately that doesn't work out, because it has changed in a digital madhouse and trash can. I absolute don't want to say all Dutch wikipedias are mad, because many of them have a high education and a good job.
But in a group where they found the understanding for there way of thinking they make it changes in a mental hospital. And not-autistic participants like me are not tolerated, they troll them out. In the most childish way, because if you see what happend now with the obesely heavy autistic Ymnes and his arbcom case,.... Even on a other wiki, Guido's Wikisage he is trolling, I think even my Dutch autistic friends of the Dutch Wikipedia agree it's complete insane what he is doing there.

Because at the moment he is claiming on Wikipedia and Wikisage I never wrote one single article, and is trowing away my list with articles with the account of a outer user (Lidewij, who is a sysop there) on wikisage. And is blocking me at the moment I open my mouth and throwing away all my accounts. (The way I walk etc.) Like a child of four years old. It is the same guy what forced that SanFanBan together with Natuur12 of Wikikids. Our Dutch assistend professor.

http://nl.wikisage.org/wiki/Speciaal:RecenteWijzigingen (1 juni 2018 and back)

[sashi]

I guess I spoke too soon. For some reason my last message got held up 3 days before it went out, I guess the moderators haven't tactily signified they don't want to hear any more about it. I have to say it's weird to have had responses from Ms. White & Mr. Klein the same day. Out of the cellblock, into the bright sun. Anyway, Mme Poole has asked that the community health initiative on granular blocks be proclaimed near and far, yet it got buried at the bottom of May. The 990 release... (yep, another $400K for PR from some Media that matter) ... and the category thread came back to life after she closed out May.

Strange, I had just been thinking that anons shouldn't have access to talkpage space, to avoid the sort of obsessive doubling behavior Crowsnest mentioned in the Mental Illness thread. Then I thought about how that would probably be gamed. Still, the focus on blocks is curious. It does seem to me that from time to time article stewards should be preventively page-blocked. I wasn't sure if the Special:Block page she was talking about was about granular style sheets or about discipline in the cellblocks (or both). (It's been a while since I've read about it.)

In any case, I'm not going to push too hard over there on the "journalistic exception" problem, because en.wp does seem to have a habit of not-so-granularly blocking "investigative reporters". There's no sense pissing anyone off.

It *is* the weekend, though.

[AndrewForson]

[...stuff about autism...]
Crow opened a topic about mental illness, better it would be to open one about autism. Because I would't call this people mental iil, but they are absolute unsuitable for Wikipedia as it's leaders.

Graaf, you have claimed that the people who currently run WM-NL are unfit to so so, and you have also claimed that they are autistic. Both of these propositions may be true, and if so it would be possible to support them with evidence. But I have little sympathy with the assertion that people who are autistic are for that reason alone unfit to be leaders. That is not true, and it is mere prejudice. Your insistent emphasis on your belief in the prevalence of this condition as if it were the compete explanation of all the problems you have have had with the WM-NL establishment is actually making the rest of us less sympathetic with your undoubted difficulties.

[Graaf Statler]

No problem. André was rewarded by Wikimedia NL and there was a article about him and his autism where I got my information form. So, seem to me a evidence, and Andre never denied he is autistic. Just like SjoerddeBruin, sysop, ex Arb and steward, he even mentioned it on his userpage on WP-NL. It's absolute no a taboo in Holland, or a insult.

Second, sorry it is in in Dutch:

https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... Volkskrant

"...Bovengemiddeld veel Wikipedianen hebben iets in het autismespectrum: houd je daar een beetje rekening mee?"

So, Sandra Rientjes, directeur van Wikimedia Nederland was warning Margriet Oostveen, journalist of the Volkskrant on 30 November 2015. Take care, above average of them have something autistic. Well if Sandra is saying take care to a journalist, it seems to me a serious problem.

"But I have little sympathy with the assertion that people who are autistic are for that reason alone unfit to be leaders."

Be so kind to give me the evidence autistic people are able to be a leader in a complex internet surrounding like wikipedia, Because they are not. It confuses them totally. Autism is the main problem of Wikipedia-NL, and it is very wrong to ignore that. Autism is a handicap, just like colour-blindness for a painter. But tell me, is autism a taboo in America?

[AndrewForson]

"But I have little sympathy with the assertion that people who are autistic are for that reason alone unfit to be leaders."

Be so kind to give me the evidence autistic people are able to be a leader in a complex internet surrounding like wikipedia, Because they are not. It confuses them totally. Autism is the main problem of Wikipedia-NL, and it is very wrong to ignore that. Autism is a handicap, just like colour-blindness for a painter. But tell me, is autism a taboo in America?

One example: Sir Isaac Newton, Lucasian Professor at Cambridge University, Member of Parliament and President of the Royal Society -- all leadership positions in complex situations. Prof. Simon Baron-Cohen was quoted by New Scientist as saying that while it was of course impossible to make a proper diagnosis, Newton's reported behaviour showed several of the signs of Asperger's. Of course autistic spectrum disorders make certain things difficult, but to use your example, some famous painters have been colour-blind, and some people with ASD have successfully held leadership positions. But I have better things to do with my time than keep on providing evidence to someone whose repeated assertions increasingly read to me like sheer prejudice, and suggest an unwillingness to be persuaded away from that position of prejudice by any amount of evidence. I do not know whether autism is a "taboo" in America, being British and having lived my entire life in Britain, but I think not. In Britain, forward-thinking employers are increasingly aware of the business benefits of neuro-diversity.

Having said all that, perhaps we might note that the topic of this thread is GDPR in the EU, not, as you have so often seemed to believe of so many discussions, Graaf's misfortunes at the hands of a conspiracy of people with autism.

[Graaf Statler]

"But I have little sympathy with the assertion that people who are autistic are for that reason alone unfit to be leaders."

Be so kind to give me the evidence autistic people are able to be a leader in a complex internet surrounding like wikipedia, Because they are not. It confuses them totally. Autism is the main problem of Wikipedia-NL, and it is very wrong to ignore that. Autism is a handicap, just like colour-blindness for a painter. But tell me, is autism a taboo in America?

One example: Sir Isaac Newton, Lucasian Professor at Cambridge University, Member of Parliament and President of the Royal Society -- all leadership positions in complex situations. Prof. Simon Baron-Cohen was quoted by New Scientist as saying that while it was of course impossible to make a proper diagnosis, Newton's reported behaviour showed several of the signs of Asperger's. Of course autistic spectrum disorders make certain things difficult, but to use your example, some famous painters have been colour-blind, and some people with ASD have successfully held leadership positions. But I have better things to do with my time than keep on providing evidence to someone whose repeated assertions increasingly read to me like sheer prejudice, and suggest an unwillingness to be persuaded away from that position of prejudice by any amount of evidence. I do not know whether autism is a "taboo" in America, being British and having lived my entire life in Britain, but I think not. In Britain, forward-thinking employers are increasingly aware of the business benefits of neuro-diversity.

Having said all that, perhaps we might note that the topic of this thread is GDPR in the EU, not, as you have so often seemed to believe of so many discussions, Graaf's misfortunes at the hands of a conspiracy of people with autism.

There was it about. My posting was about André who was judging about a Wikipedia and GDPR. And all true, there were many great autistic scientists. And yes, also in Holland forward-thinking employers are increasingly aware of the business benefits of neuro-diversity. BUT for very specific jobs. For instance testing software, and in general in the software industry. Look where André is employed. But not for instance in the judicial power in our country with it's absolute unlogical Code Napoleon! And that is what I try to point out. I am sure André is a good software engineer, much better than I should be. But in this matters there is not even a change Andre makes a good decision, it's absolute nonsense he is telling. Because of his autism. But he is one of the decision makers on WP-NL and a important person in the Wiki mouvement. And that makes autism to a very important item, also in this discussion. Because I am convinced many/most of the decision makers in this European matter are autistic, and that is the reason this kind of matters ends up in a tremendous mess. You are making the same mistake many people are making, seeing the big connections is not the same as intelligence. And there is where it went wrong, They don't see the big connections many times, also not in this matter. Wikipedia is simple to confusing for them. And there I was talking about.

[CrowsNest]

In any case, I'm not going to push too hard over there on the "journalistic exception" problem, because en.wp does seem to have a habit of not-so-granularly blocking "investigative reporters".

Well, let's not attribute to Wikipedia what is still likely to be Dennis Brown's made up policy, that the rest of the community were simply unwilling to examine for the usual reasons, entirely unrelated to its merits. Maybe some day an actual established editor will challenge it, as the garbage it really is. As we saw, Wikipediocracy certainly has no interest in exposing that issue. Except, of course, to kiss Dennis' ring.

I noted with some amusement that Haaretz claim to have contacted Philip Cross via his Wikipedia talk page. They didn't seemingly publicly announce they were a journslist, much less list their credentials/employer. No sign of any retroactive punishment from Dennis. No sign of anyone else seeing it as a problem either, although that may be down to the fact it was a rather sympathetic piece.

[Graaf Statler]

In general Wikipedia falls under the journalistic exemption
("publication of ideas, information or opinions"), which means many
rules from the GDPR are dropped. Mostly what remains is just that a
weighing has to be done between the subject's privacy interest and
Wikipedia's own reporting interest. Even the possibility to object to
that decision is dropped in this case, so if, as I assume will happen,
such a request is taken as a reason to re-evaluate that decision, we
are already going beyond the minimum of what the law requires.

--
André Engels, andreengels at gmail.com

Unsurprisingly, it seems Andre is in no position to be making such statements......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andre_Engels

Of course not. This is such a specialised subject what had to be examined long before by real European legal experts, and not by some autistic software engineers. Or by a bunch of self-proclaimed autistic wiki lawyers.
And it is of course complete crazy. Wikimedia was very busy with solving the gender gap by writing hard pron articles and was starting up there Caribbean project by trolling Ymnes to there top writer, and Statler to a complete fool, but for this serious problem they coun't find time. Except for there one club, that is GDPR proof.

[sashi]

Checking a link at the Baltimore Sun, I noticed the following redirect:

Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

In terms of privacy, CN, I still think that steaming twitter-wire news can wait a few days, though I do understand your argument here. Only in Amerigo-go-go does a "looking down" photo and "circumlocutory" prose merit inclusion in an encyclopedia the minute the news does or doesn't "hit the street".