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Post by sashi » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:15 am

CrowsNest wrote:
This shit is BORING.
That's Beeblebrox


Yeah sorry Beebs but it doesn't appear there are dramaboards over there on everipedia.

I'm not going to jump down Jake's throat for running the retirement home as he sees fit. I just wish there were more bingo.

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Post by Graaf Statler » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:43 am

What fascinates me, altough it is all very boring why the sekt members react only by the word Evripedia like a dog with flees.

And Jack, gosh, Jack. You know I like Jake. And I understand his impossible position and situation and respect that. Running a critical board what is in fact a safe harbour for overstressed Wikiopedians to cool down so they are fit enough for a other dive in the wiki sewers.
And that is a hard job. Because you have to tolerate a form of criticism, but not to much otherwise poor the wikipedians start to cry.

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Post by CrowsNest » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:41 pm

Thanks is Jake talking to Gender Desk about the Tate biography controversy.
As for why Wikipediocracy isn’t covering it, two reasons: 1) it’s the Tate’s mistake to become a WP scraper, not WP’s, and 2) while all this is obviously bad, they claim it involves some cost savings for the Tate and publicizing it could easily give other GLAM institutions the same bad idea.
What a load of nonsense. It takes five seconds to appreciate Tate's "mistake" only occurred because they are clearly woefully uninformed about how Wikipedia really works, and were only too ready to accept the WMF propaganda that they are reasonably accurate and up to date. I seem to remember Wikipediocracy used to want to play a role in correcting these misconceptions. As for this idea that by not covering something, others wouldn't get the same idea? Laughable.

Realising his mistake, he has gone on to say this....
she makes some good points, and I was thinking a blog post on this may be in order.
Seriously? They're still pretending like writing blog posts is what they do?

Writing an authoritive post on this would be hard when he believes garbage like this.....
a pre-existing Wikipedia BLP isn’t going to be *dramatically* worse than something written by a Tate staff member unless it’s under attack by someone who hates the article subject for some reason.
First, this is obvious bullshit. There are countless other reasons why it could be total garbage in comparison Second, since when was the criteria "dramatically worse" anyway?

AFAIK Jake has never written a blog post in his life. And anyone who accepts an invitation to write one on this subject on his behalf, they're just being a fool to themselves.

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Post by Dysklyver » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:07 pm

Also there's really not much point in blogging about something already blogged about by Genderdesk.

Not unless your take on the subject is going to be completely different anyway.

Otherwise it's just a reprint/rip-off.

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Post by CrowsNest » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:52 pm

Dysklyver wrote:Also there's really not much point in blogging about something already blogged about by Genderdesk.

Not unless your take on the subject is going to be completely different anyway.

Otherwise it's just a reprint/rip-off.
A serious critic will always be able to do better than GenderDesk, her knowledge of Wikipedia simply isn't broad enough, and her singular focus on gender, while admirable, is a massive blind spot for her. She also just makes too many simple errors, things which Wikipedians can easily use to debunk her entire posts, stuff other critics could spot before she posted. She could do better if she wanted. She does not want.

I knocked this up in half an hour.....

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... f=11&t=789

Imagine what I could do if I was motivated by something other than proving how poor Wikipediocracy and Gender Desk are as so called Wikipedia critics? It's embarrassing sometimes, how easy it is to embarrass them. I try to warn people, don't take me for a fool. They just didn't listen.

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Post by Graaf Statler » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:14 pm

CrowsNest wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:Also there's really not much point in blogging about something already blogged about by Genderdesk.

Not unless your take on the subject is going to be completely different anyway.

Otherwise it's just a reprint/rip-off.
A serious critic will always be able to do better than GenderDesk, her knowledge of Wikipedia simply isn't broad enough, and her singular focus on gender, while admirable, is a massive blind spot for her. She also just makes too many simple errors, things which Wikipedians can easily use to debunk her entire posts, stuff other critics could spot before she posted. She could do better if she wanted. She does not want.

I knocked this up in half an hour.....

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... f=11&t=789

Imagine what I could do if I was motivated by something other than proving how poor Wikipediocracy and Gender Desk are as so called Wikipedia critics? It's embarrassing sometimes, how easy it is to embarrass them. I try to warn people, don't take me for a fool. They just didn't listen.

I told Jake many times I don't like it at all you are mute on WO. I did a few days ago a proposal, give Crow at least acces to the closed section but I didn't get a reaction. And no, I never took you for a fool and maybe that is the whole point, they are afraid of you.....

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Post by CrowsNest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:24 am

Graaf Statler wrote:I never took you for a fool and maybe that is the whole point, they are afraid of you.....
Well, there was that one time early on when you thought I was a troll and a sockpuppet, but hey, we all make mistakes. :oops: ;) :lol: But yes, they way they interact with me these days, communicating through intermediaries and generally being spoken of in hushed tones as if I may never have even existed at all, on the odd occasion they're not overtly pretending I don't exist (even while obviously reading my posts!), it really is only explained by them being terrified of what I am capable of, if I was ever allowed back.

Even as a poster who otherwise goes along with their sham policy that they have standards and expectations of how posters should interact, I still got banned for making them feel sad about themselves, highlighting their failures and hypocrisies. So you can only imagine how they would freak out if I was unconstrained by any such niceties. Even Eric, the guy who proclaims to have never been afraid to call a cunt a cunt, is too afraid to come here and accept the challenge of proving I'm the one who has no clue.

As you and Dysklyver have proved recently, Wikipediocracy is now the place where the Eric Corbett's of this world get to say things like 'antitrust only applies where Google has direct commercial benefit' and the regulars just keep their mouths shut, being either too stupid to realise what BS that is, or too afraid to get on Eric's shit list to point it out. Similarly, it is a place where Jake gets to come in and claim there's never been a successful antitrust suit against Google where hasn't been clear and obvious blacklisting. It matters not to these pride filled ingnoramouses that both of these ideas are thoroughly debunked by the contents of the links you both tried to educate Eric with.

King Jake then proclaims the thread will soon be locked, because you people are the problem, not him or his moderator (who did nothing to stop the thread being derailed off topic in the first place). Not that Jake even thinks the original subject was valid, because of course he agrees with the Wikipedians that the ban of someone nobody else knows the identity of, was correct. This is why both of you will eventually be banned from there. They don't like being corrected, much less contradicted. The difference to this place in that crucial aspect, is clear and obvious.

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Post by CrowsNest » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:25 am

They call this Wikipedia criticism :lol:
Beeblebrox wrote:Well since we’re sharing, I actually am a drummer. But kind of in the way that people who haven’t published anything in years will tell you they are a writer. And I was ambidextrous as a small child until my first grade teacher demanded that I pick one hand and stick with it. (she got that wrong by the way, thanks Mrs. Baas)
And we have 4 vehicles in our household and 3 of them have manual transmissions.
Kumioko wrote:Cool, never really learned an instrument, always regretted that. I feel like I would have made a great violinist!

Yes, manual is the way to go. Not only does it make me feel more one with the vehicle it's also a great modern day antitheft device...at least here in DC...in Alaska, probably not so much.
I call it the product of very bored and very stupid minds. Although I guess we can't discount the possibility Beeblebrox has come to Wikipediocracy precisely to fill it up with shit like this. He needn't bother, they're perfectly capable of ruining literally every thread with off topic nonsense that nobody else in their right mind wants to read. This tripe is in their thread on the MEDCOM proposal, but you could find it anywhere. Indeed, it came after four "members" wasted five posts on the meaning of the word ambiguous.

In total, that's eight posts of shite nobody needs to or wants to read in any thread, least of all one about this proposal. Indeed, since it is Beeblebrox who has proposed getting rid of MEDCOM, it is in Beeblebrox's interest to get everyone to stop talking about how much of a Wikipedia asshole he has been in how he has gone about it......

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 6572#p6572

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 6581#p6581

Fucking losers. You want us to hide this, Jake? Talk about it in a private forum? I bet you fucking do. I'd be embarrassed too.

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Post by CrowsNest » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:07 am

Beeblebrox wrote:I hadn’t really been following this too closely, but now that I’ve had a look, no there’s no way arbcom should or will take this case. And yeah, it is clearly forum shopping. Making such a fuss about this has given that page far more exposure than it otherwise would’ve had, you’d think those so outraged by it would have figured that out by now but apparently not.
Here's a Wikipedia Administrator arguing on Wikipediocracy that the best way to deal with offensive pages created by Wikipedia Administrators, is to ignore them. Don't highlight the Wikipedia policy which says do not put things in your user space which will bring Wikipedia into disrepute, and do not expect ArbCom to step in when the mob rises up and says, with a straight face, "no violation" (their agreement with the offensive nature of the essay, therefore their vested interest in telling any lie they can to ensure it is kept, being obvious).

The other good people of Wikipediocracy (since, with nearly 400 posts there, this Wikipedia Administrator is undoubtedly one of their "good people") of course failed to notice this is the inherent nature of his comment, and challenge him. As a serious critic of Wikipedia surely would.

You want us to hide this observation too, Jake? Talk about it in a private forum? I bet you fucking do.

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Post by Graaf Statler » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:56 am

CrowsNest wrote:You want us to hide this observation too, Jake? Talk about it in a private forum? I bet you fucking do.

Yep. That is Jake's cowardly tactic. Just sweep it under the rug, never discus something in public and at the end blame Trump. Never looking to arguments, no.
I already have read Crow should be a Breitbart journalist on WO. Fine, than we are in balance because I am a Marxist with a liberal touch from a socialist country and I am saying and claiming exactly the same, so that is a total non-argument. Crow is using arguments and Jake and his mates not, and that is where it is about and not about who he is or what he is doing for his job. (Or she)

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