Fram

[CrowsNest]

The bigger issue of course, is this one.....will Ritchie333 have the integrity to either confirm or deny whether he is THE RAT?

[Graaf Statler]

Help me out, Crow. I found this posting of you from 2018.

Do I know these people or what? I wrote the above before I had even seen that AN report of Fram against Drmies.

In which Fram was successful in showing/achieving......

-Drmies is a crap Administrator whose blocks cannot be deemed good

-Got plenty of powerful people to see it, including his potential future ArbCom colleagues

-Forced Drmies to eat shit for it because he can hardly do anything else to Fram

-Induced Drmies to also at least try and make this look bad for Fram, even if he had to eat shit for being found to have made a bad block, and failed, because Fram was of course already five steps ahead of Drmies, and so happily embraced the idea everyone should be paying close attention to the sort of crap Administrator Drmies is, precisely because he's currently seeking office as Super-Administrator, theoretically making him Fram's boss

-made Administrators who assume Drmies knows what he is doing, look like fools

-Forced Bbb23 to have to make a dumb defence of his Wikibuddy

-Enticed Ritchie333 to make an ever dumber attempt to defend his Wikibuddy ('cos Ritchie hates Fram, and is fucking dumb)

-Made NewYorkBrad look like an idiot for appearing able to predict the future just so he could clear a rogue Administrator of negligence, even though it is highly likely he has no actual statistical evidence much less Wikipedia case law to back up his prediction that their action likely saved Wikipedia from harm (and he's a fucking lawyer!)

-Made Floquenbeam look like an idiot for foolishly trying to support Drmies' pathetic victim narrative, which is only sustainable if you buy into the idea that when someone is running for ArbCom, you should not be looking at what they do as an Administrator, not even during the voting period, even though that is the time they are most likely trying to be the best Administrator they know how to be, and especially not if your questions to them have already revealed they are the sort of Administrator who happily ignores policy when it suits. That is apparently a dick move. This merely reinforced the idea most people will already have of Floquenbeam - he absolutely hates anybody and everybody who seeks to hold Wikipedia Administrators to account. They are all dicks.

Best $1,000 I ever invested.

Now Fram, do you want the lump sum, or monthly instalments?



HAVE A NICE DAY, DRMIES

Dumbass.

https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 5&start=80

Is it possible to give a brief explanation what is going on here?

[CrowsNest]

I can't even imagine the circumstances in which this is legitimate, since if it were genuinely something so problematic he needed to be banned instantly without discussion, it would be something warranting a global rather than a local ban, and permanent rather than time-limited. ‑ Iridescent 19:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

With friends like these.....

He was evidently given leniency on account of his rank, past record, and the scene of crimes, if WMF documents are to be believed (and perhaps they are not, given the findings of the Abd legal challenge, where we have learned Fram could have been banned for any reason, or indeed no reason at all).

If they are, then my advice would be to shut your damn mouths unless or until Fram makes clear whether he cut a deal. Just because none of you were given advance warning, doesn't mean there was no discussion, with or without the accused present.

Who knows, maybe he gave some of you up, and understandably he doesn't want anyone to know he has betrayed the revolution?

THE JIG IS UP. SHUT IT DOWN.

[Carrite]

Maybe they need administrators on German WP or something and are moving him from here to there. That will probably be the unintended consequence in any event. (I think he's German, right?)

Another step towards centralized control of En-WP by the "professionals" (insert mocking laughter here) in San Francisco...

RfB

Belgian. He is Belgian.

RfB

[CrowsNest]

Excellent timing Timmy, I was already drafting this....

Early betting at Wikipediocracy is that this is preliminary to some sort of centralized imposition of either Superprotect or Flow or Visual Editor, Fram being one of the most outspoken critics of WMF technological incompetence -- not that there is much room for debate about that at this point. I share the views expressed above: we need answers. Carrite (talk) 20:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

For the sake of serious critics, can we squash this idea now? Fram is a vocal critic of the WMF and these schemes, but he was not the only critic. I would be amazed if even he gave himself that much credit. And to point out the fucking obvious, banning Fram for a year, means Fram is back in a year. Free to forment rebellion against anything adopted in that time. Which brings us to a second reason to think this comes from the minds we associate with Wikipedicorazy these days - on what planet is the WMF going to go from talk page redesign consultation to finished product in under a year?

No, if this ban is about anything, anything that can be reduced from Fram's public past, it will be about ArbCom's failure to properly yank his leash.

If Ritchie completely ignores this whole thing, even though it is the only thing on Wiki-TV right now (AND THAT IS WHAT HE IS ALREADY DOING) then you can pretty much guarantee that he reported Fram to T&S for harassing innocent users, or he knows someone else who did, and he assisted them as a co-complainent.

[CrowsNest]

Well, the Wikipediots are still outraged, frightened and confused, but we can probably take this.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... afety_Team

.....as confirmation of the likely scenario.

Can't believe they're genuinely struggling to figure it all out. Not like it was really a secret that Fram was racking up enemies at the highest levels of English Wikipedia, but had essentially become a Vested Administrator for all the usual reasons.

Now, if the WMF are going to start busting Vesting Administrators, how about they also address the issue of Vested Editors?

If all that is needed is a complaint to be filed......

[sashi]

Time for ArbCom to [...] resign en masse in protest at this obvious land grab.

If they resign, Marek & Icewhiz both walk. ^^ Shouldn't the MobCar throw open the prison doors before they resign? That would be fun: a general amnesty... I've never seen a page take off quite like BN has on my watchlist in the last hours. Only Trypto talking shit behind my back again at WP:Harassment interrupted the flow...

[Graaf Statler]

I've left a message for Fram on his talk page on French-WP inviting him to drop by here to make a statement. I think he's Belgian and that would be the most likely place for him to pop up next, assuming he doesn't give WMF the finger and walk away.

Link to userpage FR

Is Fram a Belgium user?
Ah, now it is getting clear to me, because he has criticised Wikidate, the love baby of Romaine=>Trollomedia.BE. And Bart Legal is also a Belgium Wikimedia guy. Yeh, that is a SanFanBan worth, but not the same blunder ban as Statler got. Never critic pirate Romaine and his friends, who wanted clearly to make a pirate restart and Fram was in there way.

And no Timmy, forget it, Fram will not join your Trollocrazy. Just forget it.

(Belgium has no Wikipedia, because the north part speak Dutch (Vlaming) and the south part French. But the do have Romaine=wikimedia-BE in Brussel, in the French part.
So it is likely if Fram is a user from Belgium and has something to do with them. The German speaking part of Belgium is extreme small and unimportant.)

[Graaf Statler]

Shit! Wrong Timmy, he is Dutch and close connected to the Dutch/Belgium chapter. Because Elly, gender uhhh lady number one and the rest is speaking with him. SanFanban mystery solved.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Fram

Dat je hier terug mag editen omdat je zogezegd niet tot de sokpoppen behoort is fijn voor jou. De situatie op de Engelstalige Wikipedia moet je echter daar bespreken, niet hier. Ik betwijfel ten zeerste, gezien je recente capriolen, dat je daar een snelle deblokkering moet verwachten. en:User:BerndGalama en ook [1] zijn de relevante pagina's, moest iemand anders geïnteresseerd zijn. De blokkering op de Engelse Wikipedia is besproken op het "administrator's noticeboard" en had de duidelijke steun van de andere administrators. Als jij de aandacht van de Nederlandse Wikipedia wil vestigen op je recente herblokkering voor sokpopgedrag daar, is dat jouw probleem. Fram 9 jun 2010 09:03 (CEST)

This is native Dutch of a native Dutch speaker. Not a Belgium.

The pirate flags must in top again!

[Graaf Statler]

I would echo that. Behind-closed-doors banning of editors who criticise the competence of Arbcom etc is not something we should be condoning in the 21st century. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2019

Whow! With one exception, criticising the pirate party fans and gender trolls.