It's a woman's right to have a good Fuck!

[Graaf Statler]

Catherine Deneuve and Others Denounce the #MeToo Movement

And of course i am not talking about forced sex and rape, but about fun for two. WMF, stop that gender crap project with frustrated and bitter women now! It's not what the mainstream of woman wants. We have all ready seen the first accident on WMC2017, Wikmedia-Nl.
So, stop this project, wikipedia is not a suitable medium for this subject and discussion.
It's a good discussion, both for man and woman, but it belongs in society, and not on Wikipedia and in the hands of WMF!

[ericbarbour]

Link to WP-related item?

I might add most of this "trial and sentencing" is happening on Twitter, which is NOT a "court of law". Or even a suitable place to attack someone for sexual abuse. Most of the men detailed in the NYT's list are probably deserving of such accusations -- but I suspect some of them are being harassed on the basis of false accusations posted by liars (who just happen to be women). It has been known to happen, and since "recovered memories" are well-known to often be false (does anyone remember McMartin Preschool?) and there is usually no other evidence or witnesses, the potential exists.

#Metoo seems more and more like a stupid temporary fad than "justice". Which means real abusers will get away with their abuse long after #metoo is forgotten.

[ericbarbour]

From the Wikipedia article about the McMartin case:

Wayne Satz, at the time a reporter for the Los Angeles ABC affiliate television station KABC, reported on the case and the children's allegations. He presented an unchallenged view of the children's and parents' claims.[33] Satz later entered into a romantic relationship with Kee MacFarlane, the social worker at the Children's Institute International, who was interviewing the children.[33] Another instance of media conflict of interest occurred when David Rosenzweig, the editor at the Los Angeles Times overseeing the coverage, became engaged to marry Lael Rubin, the prosecutor.[2]

My fellow Americans often disgust me.

[Graaf Statler]

It can also be not understanding what sexual abuse is, because that is what happend on WMC2017.
It was about this:

Theobald to Elly

*Dag Ellywa, Het ware beter geweest als iemand uw keeltje had dichtgeknepen bij uw geboorte.
**Hi Elly, It had been better if someone had chocked you after you was born. (In the same category as drop dead. Theobald excuses himself in public, he never meant this literally)
#Not sexists.


*De kwade trouw en de incompetentie druipen af van bijna alle bijdragen die Gebruiker:Ellywa levert.
**Elly is incompetent and malicious
#Not sexists.


*Ik ben helemaal geen anonieme stalker; ik confronteer je gewoon met je niet onaanzienlijke kwaadaardigheid en gebreken.
**I am not a anomius stalker, I confrontatie you with you malice and incompetence.
#Not sexist


*Kwaadaardig teringwijf.
**Malicious teringwijf. Tering wife means literally tuberculosis wife, but nobody will notice this literal meaning. It is something like bitch. And Theobald used this word after the speech of Elly on WMC2017, in the village pump.)
#Not sexsist.


Nothing was sexist, but to Elly felt it in that way. So she held a #Metoo speech about it on WMC 2017, What ended up in this riot. And this incident happend not at Twitter, but on a stage in present of the Press! They had no idea what #Metoo is!
And what was the worse of all, Sandra Rientjes, and WM-NL started to defend Elly afterwards in the Village Pump,
And, the drama is not finished, everybody there knew Theoblad, because he was a ex Wikipedian is residence, who was put as a sexual abuser as a example in the gender gap reading of Elly! He was furious!

So, I think the gender crap/#Metoo discusion is not in good hands there.