Floquenbeam

[CrowsNest]

Desperate times. Now, of course, it is Drmies' turn to try to persuade people Floquenbeam is good people. How he thinks people will just forget that he has already voted, accusing opposers of disloyalty for even daring to commit heresy, is just amazing.

Floq did a thing he didn't like to do, because he thought it was the right thing to do.

Who says he didn't like doing it? Poking a finger in the eye of the people you claim betrayed you, that had to have felt good. Being a man of action, instead of just an impotent protester, that's got to get you hard in the morning.

If a war with the Foundation is the goal, Floquenbeam will make a fine General, and Drmies a perfectly capable boot polisher in his headquarters.

Drmies is the same sort of Administrator as the General. He definitely enjoys bullying people, gets a sick pleasure out of flaunting his undeserved community trust, relying on the fact nobody really wants to look at what he does in sufficient detail to spot the clear and obvious breaches, his singular unfitness to even be a bat man, laid bare. Shit, even Wikipediocracy have started calling him an asshole, and they love assholes like Dennis Brown and Black Kite.

That this would enable harassment, as some seem to suggest, seems very far-fetched to me.

The person who thinks Malik Shabbaz should still be an Administrator, really has no idea what harassment is. Ask Sandstein how it felt to be called the good German, just one of many attacks directed at him over months, just for doing his job. What's that Dutchie, you don't give a shit? Yeah, I think people get that.

Seriously, Floquenbeam. If these are your character witnesses, your water carriers, you really are scum and you really do support bullying. Deny it. Say some shit about Drmies. Stand up for the colleagues he has helped harass, specifically in Marek's case by hiding an edit that would have ensured he got banned under his ArbCom sanction well before his infamous good German outburst.

Drmies is a coward. He certainly won't be saying a word.

[Graaf Statler]

Drmies is just Eurotrash like so many continental European wikipedians are. Grown up as a wikipedian in a extreem toxic local wiki and later made the move to the other side of the ocean to spread his poison over there.

[CrowsNest]

Oh dude......

I for one do not want to be casting a !vote I may have to distance myself from at some point in the future—a position I fear too many people in the support column will find themselves in. Daniel Case (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

.....if those 200 odd people had the capacity to feel shame or regret, Wikipedia would be a very different place.

These people have but one concern, their own sorry asses. They genuinely fear a Wikipedia where people like Fram are not considered Wikipedians. They want Floquenbeam to be rewarded with his 72 virgins for his spectacularly destructive but ultimately pointless act, committed in defence of their toxic ideology.

WIKIPEDIA FOR THE WIKIPEDIANS.

Old guard rules all. Fuck those SJW pussies in their far away offices. They don't know maaaan. It's like Kudpung said, these people know. And he's like, the best Wikipedian ever. Everyone's idea of mentally stable and not remotely an absolute douche. Get him on the donor drive, he's the real community.

HTD.

[CrowsNest]

Aw, look who's playing peekaboo.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =907862218

Come on man, you can be an active participant, or you can go drown your sorrows.

Don't give people even more reason to think you're an arrogant douchbag.

You can do it man. It may only be by 0.6% 0.33%, but you're still currently supported by a whole four fifths of that honest and virtuous and selfless and mature and respectable band of dudes you call your community. Fuck those Departmental jerks. Those people who betrayed you. Let's see some of that old school spirit we know and love.

Your public awaits. You must have something to say. How could you possibly ignore terrible feedback like this?

this has the potential to hurt those harassed again without any reason.

this was so outside of acceptable behavior that I cannot support

the project has now lost participants out of safety fears, because of the behavior of those who seems to prioritize control over the project ahead of user safety concerns

Y'know people, I don't think he wants it. I think he wants to bleed out, just let it all fade away to black, like some kind of wounded hero.

No heroes here. Just washouts.

THROW HIM A BONE SOMEBODY.

Not too late to call Bishonen. You know how she just brings everybody together, just like the good old days, when a toxic Admin could do whatever the fuck they wanted, and if you spat in the eye of The Man, you really did get a ticker-tape parade. Real classy. Old skool.

[CrowsNest]

......Speaking for myself, even if the arbcom finds Fram to be worthy of a ban, that won't affect my opinion of Floq's actions since the primary objection to Fram being banned was related to the process by which that ban was instituted (by WMF; without Fram being made aware of the complaints or being allowed to respond; non-appealability) rather than the conclusion of that process per se. If a proper process reaches the same conclusion that would not post hoc justify the flawed process....... Abecedare (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

And if you were paying attention, you'd see Floquenbeam's drama hasn't resulted in the proper process he supposedly wanted to see at all. And strangely enough, he doesn't seem all that upset?

His only real objection, was jurisdiction. He got what he wanted - for Trust and Safety, read Arbcom, and for no higher reason than a toxic like Floquenbeam fears what these supposed outsiders would make of his community's behavior, toxic behaviour to which ArbCom had become all too normalized of.

Hence why his protest is now over and he wants his tools back before everyone else figures out the real reason, indeed the only reason, that lay behind why he began to fling his poo around.

This is his so called integrity. An extreme form of tribalism. Made all the more perverse by his admission that he would have done nothing had the Foundation simply Globally Banned Fram, which until they were nice enough to implement a less drastic measure where it made sense to do so, would have been the mandated outcome for Fram.

[CrowsNest]

It's time to put the drama behind us. I'm not sure that reverting an Office Action was a wise decision, but it was a principled one. .... SpinningSpark 19:19, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Says who?

Where I come from, if you take a principled stand, you say something like 'and I'd do it again in a heartbeat'.

It seems obvious the only principle likely to have been in play for Floquenbeam, was nothing but self-interest. Preservation of his preferred way of life.

He benefits from the status quo, the Foundation being kept well away, and the people they want to see edit being scared away. An unreformed and seemingly unreformable community. He's benefiting from it right now, RfA having been discredited as nothing but a popularity contest years ago. People with principles don't pass RfA, unless the principles align with what the old guard see as right and proper. Content before behaviour. As if that hasn't been thoroughly debunked as the wrong means to the end. After eighteen years, only 0.1% of Wikipedia is Featured quality. Because nobody but a tiny few highly addicted freaks can stand the toxic atmosphere. That is the community Floquenbeam seems proud to have served, like he's made a positive difference in this decade of decline.

He is the decline. He is the rage against progress.

[CrowsNest]

You can see why some supporters want to reframe this as an ordinary reconfirmation RfA, the theory going that a lower than expected result is explained by accumulated enemies. But that is of course not what this is, it is indeed, as requested by the man himself, a referendum on this one single act, something he claimed had the support of 95% of the community. Accumulated enemies seem conspicuous by their absence, perhaps knowing they would be wasting their breath, and risk serious assault for besmirching this attempted victory parade with their petty grievances. But this is no victory parade. This is a referendum where, since it is the damnation of the opinions not the quantity of the votes that matters, he is losing badly. He can't take any solace from the decidedly half-hearted way supporters are giving their views. When RexxS stood, although he got a real kicking, nobody can deny that of the few supporters he had, a significant proportion were properly fired up, all excited that the guy who had called a user a prat just days before, was going to be elevated to the status of higher standard.

[CrowsNest]

Wow, down to 77%, and still with three whole days to go.

The fucker is going to do a RexxS. Force the Bureaucrats to sign off on him.

Integrity my ass. He wanted community endorsement. He's going to grasp onto the Precious with anything he can.

[CrowsNest]

Say what now, sparky?

I can't thank everyone who says nice things there - and some said even nicer things than you - but that particular comment came right when I was starting to get particularly disappointed in some of the other comments, so it came at just the right moment for me. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Um, which specific opposition comments have disappointed you, pray tell? Come on, don't be shy. An Administrator such as yourself, who supposedly tells it like it is, wouldn't be embarrassed or ashamed to start highlighting who is failing to live up to the high standards of Floquenbeam, the sorry sack of shit who needs the approval of a group of supporters who can't even collectively agree if his civil disobedience was the greatest thing an Administrator ever did, or the stupidest but entirely forgiveable. He'll take the raw vote count, thank you very much.

I mean, how dare they ruin your ticker tape parade by doing what you pointlessly asked them to do - say exactly what they think of your fitness to serve. Look at all your suporters, getting all angry at the opposer's rank stupidity for not appreciating your greatness. Which a nice bunch of people. Exactly the sort of people who would know what an Administrator has to be, right? A defiant sand-kicker.

Were you disappointed by this person's view, perhaps?

What I saw was not a reasoned and valued thought, but a hasty gesture, an opposition, a useless arm wrestling as if to demonstrate who decides. For me, this is not a way to protect the community, but an excessive personalization. And an admin is not a "special" user. --Camelia (talk) 12:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Are you upset that they don't seem to be with the program? Don't seem to be giving much value to the opinions of people like Opabina, who you unsurprisingly agree is a true witness to your character. Must be nice, eh, to have such good friends on the ArbCom panel that so recently ruled if you were guilty of misconduct or not. You were not, unsurprisingly. No reason given, except what seems to be the reason that excuses all your misconduct - in Opabina's eyes, your unquantifiable specialness. I think you're in there, son. Your sort of Administrator, right?

I bet there are a few Opabina's in the Bureaucrat ranks too, right? Ready and willing to do you a solid. Bail you out of the shit that is all of your own making. Another damn RexxS case. After all, WJScribe was one. They really should be screened better. Why is it the Wikipedians lose their goddamned minds when they see any kind of conflict of interest, except the one that pervades the whole of Wikipedia governance? The bro code.

[CrowsNest]

This is exactly like RexxS' RfA in so many ways, but one of them is pretty darn important to understanding how the hell they ever got the Precious. The first impression of there being a larger support than opposition, which is the first thing anyone who wants to dismiss a simply whopping size of opposition reaches for, is entirely undermined by the fact the support is fractured between any number of entirely incompatible interpretations. Even on the single Fram issue, there are wildly different views. There is no consensus to be divined from them, since they share no common trait except the quality of them being the reason why one random fuck wants to add a +1 to the support column.

I mean, come on, it is absurd to think someone can get to be an Administrator because one chunk of his support absolutely loved the fact he is an admitted arsonist, another chunk thinks he'll be fine because he only set that one really bad fire and he's promised not to do it again, and others are just so over the whole arson thing and want to promote him because of his neat woodworking skills, or some other bullshit that would be entirely irrelevant in a 'review your local arsonists fitness to be given a lighter' panel discussion.

Just another way to prove to anyone who seriously doubts it, RfA is a vote, and it is ONLY a vote. You collect all the disparate supports you can, and declare victory.

It's the cowardice of the supporters who cravenly buy into this Trumpian style base building which makes me laugh. If I was supporting Floq. because I absolutely love arsonists, my natural instinct would be to challenge those supporters who are trying to claim my boy sparky has no more arson in him. But because it is a vote, I have to do the pragmatic thing and keep my mouth shut, knowing it is only about the W, if I want my arsonist back.

Rather ironically, given sparky's statement that he set fire to the building because he felt BETRAYED, this is a mechanism that inevitably leaves a good chunk of his support feeling betrayed when he wins, because it is quite impossible for him to be the man they all thought he was.

He could prevent that issue himself by highlighting which supporters have a mistaken view of him, and asking them to reflect on whether he truly is their guy. But he won't, for obvious reasons.

It's all about the W baby. The Precious. He must have it.