Guido den Broeder and Paraduin

[Abd]

PARADISE! What a concept! What a place to live! Except the sovereign territory of Paraduin is the residence of Prince Ogidius, sole monarch of the micronation of Paraduin. Plus a river island between Croatia and Serbia?:Micronations.wiki article

The sovereign state of Paraduin came into existence on 1 April 2015 by satisfying the Montevideo criteria. It consists of two areas: a house in Rotterdam, formerly part of The Netherlands, and a patch of uninhabited land on the Danube, known as Siga or Gornja Siga. This includes a river island.

Is that land uninhabited? Turns out the "patch of land" was claimed by Liberland, and there is a a photo of a building, with a flagpole flying the flag of Liberland (from 2015). However, the micronation.wiki article on Paraduin states (from its creation by Ogidius, October 29, 2015):

A would-be micronation named Liberland tried to occupy the land but these attempts were thwarted with the aid of the Croatian police. Representatives of Liberland got detained and fined, and they are denied access. Tourists, however, are allowed to visit Siga. Part of the land is privately owned by a logging company.

I tried to find a micronations.wiki article on Liberland. They have a redirect to the Wikipedia article. Liberland is actually notable, and there is much more detail about the issue with the Croatian police. The story in the Paraduin article appears to be a tad, well, biased? Certainly obsolete.

The Wikipedia article has

The area is about 7 square kilometres (2.7 sq mi), about the same size of Gibraltar, and most of it is covered with forests. There are no residents. A journalist from the Czech newspaper Parlamentní listy who visited the area in April 2015 found a house that had been abandoned for about thirty years, according to people living in the vicinity. The access road was reported to be in a bad condition.[18]

That abandoned house is what is in the photo, taken at the flag raising in 2015. There is another photo of the flag at the raising in an article dated April 15, 2015, and there are more photos of the place here.There is a video of the flag-raising, with several people, and various articles make it clear that many people are involved in some way with Liberland.
There is no clue that Prince Ogidius ever visited the place.

So who is Prince Ogidius? The micronationwiki article has this:

The house in Rotterdam, residence and property of the prince, was claimed as part of Paraduin on 1 April 2015. According to Prince Ogidius, who is suffering from the debilitating neuroimmune disease myalgic encephalomyeltis, international law gave him the right to secede from The Netherlands after he was denied welfare and the Dutch court refused to hear his case. This left him without means to survive. Although ME has been recognized by the WHO as early as 1969, its existence is still denied by the Dutch government. Many patients have no or little income.

Let me see if I have this straight. If I live in a sovereign nation, and they deny me welfare, so that I have no "means to survive," I therefore can declare my home a sovereign state and also claim some other property elsewhere in the world, just by saying so? MINE! Never mind the logging company and never mind the others who actually went there and raised a flag? I said it was mine a month before that! At least according to Prince Ogidius, he did. How would we know? Well, he does have a blog post dated March 5, 2015 stating that Paraduin was claiming Siga, to take effect April 1. In the U.S., we call that [url-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools%27_Day]April Fools' Day[/url].

So, on wikisage, we have Paraduin, page created by Guido den Broeder.

Paraduin is a micronation that was founded on April 1, 2015 by Wikisage owner Guido den Broeder .

So a nation that did not exist on March 5, somehow took an action that created sovereignty? The article claims that the sovereign for Paraduin is Prince Ogidius, but the link goes to den Broeder's biography. There is a photo of him there. Nice suit. Honestly, he doesn't look brain-damaged.

His latest major activity, besides trolling here, would be "movie producer." He has an IMDB page. There is a video of him dancing on the set of The Russian Bride in 2017. I take it back. He does look like he's not all there, though he doesn't really look disabled, just dorky.
The movie data does not mention him. However, I did find a listing that includes him. There are also pages that indicate he did travel to Michigan for the filming of The Russian Bride, pretty nifty for someone so totally disabled that he can't survive, as the Paraduin article claimed. Obviously he's doing better. Perhaps founding a nation is invigorating. Maybe I should try it!

But in 2017 he was also whacked on Wikipedia and a major part of that seems to have been his behavior with the article on Paraduin that, apparently, he created. See the AfD. And then he edited Liberland, intensively. And see this comment on the Talk page about his editing. The Jolly Bard was blocked as a sock of Roadcreature, i.e., den Broeder.

In the AfD, Guido claimed:

While I am aware that some people consider micronations a hoax, that really doesn't matter here. Many hoaxes have a page on Wikipedia, as do many micronations. Paraduin's activities, meanwhile, are very real, and my COI has been properly declared.

Had his conflict of interest been declared, he'd never have been allowed to edit Liberland as he did. They only figured it out after the AfD for Paraduin. He did comment on the Liberland talk page. No mention of the obvious conflict of interest. The bit about South Maudlandia was highly misleading (though actually irrelevant. It that claim predated the Paraduin claim, though, but by the time of that discussion, it appears that South Maudlandia had recognized Liberland. There are definitely some weird people on Planet Earth. Liberland does seem to have a modicum of gravitas. But South Maudlandia and Pannonia?

He mentioned that Paraduin was mentioned in the Liberland article in the version of October 30, 2015. That was sourced to something den Broeder had written, and to the Paraduin web site. So how did that get in the article? It was added by The Jolly Bard, i.e., Guido den Broeder. This was genuine sock puppetry, pretending that another editor supported what he was trying to do.

It is not a mystery why Guido den Broeder is banned from en.wikipedia. Paraduin was a hoax; if he believes it exists, well . . . brain damage.

[Graaf Statler]

Wearisome. By the way The Jolly Bard was in my opinion not a sock of Guido and the leak of sense of humor of the Wikipedians is really shocking.
If in a mess what Wikipedia is someone writes a Hoax as Guido did you can only piss in your pants with laughter and his "book" was really a great example of a honey pot. And why for the fuck should you ban him for that and leave the real trolls alone? And give me one good reason not to troll till you drop on wikipedia, except if you are like me total uninterested in Wikipedia. The only reason I never sock or troll there is because it is complete out of my field of interest but absolute not something principle.

Wikipedia is so far beyond repair, every second someone spend to fix it is a complete wasting of time because this system doesn't work and will never work. Wikipedia is one big system error. First you have to repair the system errors, and than you can go on. But not a "repairing" with all kind of shit "solutions" as presented on Wikimania by a few confused and flipped computer cowboys, autistic as the kitchen door and a bunch of free loaders and deep frustrated gender witches,

And on 2.37 I see the name Guido den Broeder.

[Guido den Broeder]

You can also see me in the trailer, and of course in the movie itself, where my name furthermore appears in the credits as executive producer (a honorary title for investors) and for my role as a Russian doctor, just like IMDb says as well.

If there are no questions, I guess we're done already. Needless to say that Abd pathetically got a thousand other things wrong, too, partly by attaching value to Fram's lies about me, but everybody knows that.

[Graaf Statler]

Ach, Guido, allemaal mingekukkel.

Als wetenschappelijk onderzoeker heeft hij vanaf 1976 aan diverse wetenschappelijke en beleidsadviserende instellingen gewerkt. In 1981 studeerde hij cum laude af aan de Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam in de algemene econometrie.

Hij verwierf internationale bekendheid met de ontwikkeling van het macro-econometrische model AMO-K dat zo'n 15 jaar werd gebruikt voor het doorrekenen van strategische beleidsscenario's.

Bron

Cum laude, chess champion, what a idiot and a fool is den Broeder. Wrote a paper/advice about Wikipedia for the UN. Wikisage is briljant, the setup is perfect. I have worked there with so much pleasure.

And, did Guido screwed Wikisage up by making it to a wiki dump yard? No..... Did Guido behave himself as a stoned around hopping monkey what Lidewij is doing, his sysop? No.........
Fucked Guido all my pictures with crazy licenses? No, that was one of the brave wikipedia believers, Ro de Jong. Did that Dutch wikipedias took that change to change Wikisage in a real great project? No...... Did the chapter had the thought, well, lets adopt Wikisage and let's make it to a great wiki? No.........

They made all the choice to screw Wikisage, Wikipedia, Wikiquote and wikimedia and THAT is where they have used all that donor money for! To fuck people, to moke them, to sabotage there work and to fill there own pockets. But can you blame Guido for that? No, of course not.....

[Guido den Broeder]

History repeats itself.

When I set out to build a functioning, state-of-the-art econometric model of the Dutch economy, people said it couldn't be done, that this was just a dream, the fantasy of a crazy person. Surely the model of the Central Planning Bureau with its 100+ employees couldn't be defeated by a student. I did it anyway and panic broke out. My research netted The Netherlands something like a half million jobs, and the Dutch government has terrorized me ever since. Interesting addendum: I also got to advise a delegation of economists from China on their first visit to the west.

[Abd]

Wearisome. By the way The Jolly Bard was in my opinion not a sock of Guido and the leak of sense of humor of the Wikipedians is really shocking.
If in a mess what Wikipedia is someone writes a Hoax as Guido did you can only piss in your pants with laughter and his "book" was really a great example of a honey pot.

The entire universe is a practical joke, but I don't piss in my pants with laughter. I just laugh. In any case, create a joke country and write a joke article about it and heavily edit the article on a competing "micronation," and you will get your silly ass banned on Wikipedia, which is what happened. It's not that it isn't funny, because his being banned is also funny.

And on 2.37 I see the name Guido den Broeder.

[link to youtube video]

I confirmed that he was an "executive producer," and he has confirmed what I suspected, it means that he was an investor. In a blood and gore horror movie. And, as an investor, got a bit part.

I know people who have worked seriously on the micronation concept. To him, it's all a jape. But he interacts with real people and with what effect? I've simply pointed to what happened. He (and you, Graaf) interpret it and call it lies, like many other trolls, not based on factual error (which is always possible) but on extending what trolls do, malicious interpretation, which is still malicious even if a "only a joke."

[Abd]

Graaf Statler on Guido den Broeder and Wikisage:

Re: How Does Wikipedia Work?

Guido den Broeder wrote:

People don't love Wikipedia. They go there because it's at the top of their search results. Often, this will end in disappointment.

I don't think you are the right person to judge Guido. Your one wiki is one big chaos with a complete crazy sysop close related to that Wikipedia, and the content is only cat's, copyvio and rubbish what Wikipedia even don't want. You yourself behave yourself as a crazy dictator and avoid every discussion, writes crazy legal threatening mails, so I think you are the last person on this earth to judge over a other wiki.

[Graaf Statler]

History repeats itself.

When I set out to build a functioning, state-of-the-art econometric model of the Dutch economy, people said it couldn't be done, that this was just a dream, the fantasy of a crazy person. Surely the model of the Central Planning Bureau with its 100+ employees couldn't be defeated by a student. I did it anyway and panic broke out. My research netted The Netherlands something like a half million jobs, and the Dutch government has terrorized me ever since. Interesting addendum: I also got to advise a delegation of economists from China on their first visit to the west.

Lishen Guido, recent pilots in het bijstandstraject (social benefit) have shown you are complete right whit een basisinkomen. And, in that way you avoid the distasteful discussion around ME and andere vage ziektes, because although ME is almost impossible to diagnose but people feel themself often really bad and are simple not able to work. The stress is not good for them. But, established politics don't want that. Although it should much cheaper at the end, maar wie niet werkt zal niet eten, isn't it?

I don't think you are the right person to judge Guido

Just fuck off Abd. You are a nice guy, but not our heads are a total chaos inside, but yours is. You mess anything constant up you know.

[Guido den Broeder]

I was a board member of the Vereniging Basisinkomen for 13 years, and also maintained international contacts. The association was dying when I started and hardly anybody was still interested in the idea. It was a dream, the fantasy of some crazy people.

I was able to turn things around, others continued my efforts, and nowadays it's a strong movement with every chance of succeeding. Several countries have already introduced a basic income and the results are very positive.

When I said I wanted to start a patient association for ME everybody laughed. It was a dream, a fantasy of a crazy person. After all, there already was a foundation for CFS, claiming it was the same, supported by the Dutch government. I did it anyway. We grow every year, and now we are a world leader and the WHO has separate entries for ME and CFS.

This is why real people interact with me, including the nephew of Croatia's president. I get things done that look like a crazy fantasy.

[Abd]

History repeats itself.
When I set out to build a functioning, state-of-the-art econometric model of the Dutch economy, people said it couldn't be done, that this was just a dream, the fantasy of a crazy person. Surely the model of the Central Planning Bureau with its 100+ employees couldn't be defeated by a student. I did it anyway and panic broke out. My research netted The Netherlands something like a half million jobs, and the Dutch government has terrorized me ever since. Interesting addendum: I also got to advise a delegation of economists from China on their first visit to the west.

Yes, "panic broke out." People were trampled in the streets. The screams could be heard from Belgium. Then they saw a photo of den Broeder, and the screams were replaced with laughter and pissing in pants (and worse), and sales of laundry detergent and other related products and services skyrocketed, creating jobs and rescuing the economy. Later, international trade with Paraduin continued to support . . . the dream, the fantasy of a crazy person.

Article on den Broeder on the ME encyclopedia. His contributions there are almost entirely edits about himself.

Physics was mentioned on Wikipediocracy. Guido:

The article on the Monte Carlo method is quite incomplete. There is no mention of its use in econometrics, for instance. Work that I did four decennia ago.

(Monte Carlo methods are a general mathematical approach. What Guido is pointing to is that the article does not specifically mention econometrics, his specialty 40 years ago. Guido did do serious work in econometrics. He did not do it alone. A model of the Dutch labour market (AMO-K) De Economist (Netherlands Economic review) (Springer) (1985). There are references to a paper by "Broeder, Heijke and Koning (1986)" but I was unable to find it. So, indeed, this was work done about 35 years ago. What the world always wants to know is "What have you done for us lately"? Sometimes we get points for what we did so long ago, but usually not, unless it makes a major impact. What was the impact? His papers were cited, for a time. I have seen no evidence, so far, that his work, as distinct from the entire field of econometrics, had a major impact on the economy of the Netherlands. Like much about den Broeder, this is what he claims.

I first encountered him as an ME/CFS activist. I have substantial sympathy for alternative medicine and minority viewpoints. Sometimes they turn out, eventually, to be reality, or to at least have some truth to them. But some people become fanatics, and increase the anti-fringe reactions of the mainstream. The last thing a field like that needs is a troll.

Den Broeder's claim that the government of the Netherlands "terrorized him" leads me to suspect everything he's written. A claim like that without specific evidence is evidence, itself, of something very, very off. Perhaps he used an inferior quality of aluminum foil to protect him from the radiation. You can't be too careful.

ME/CFS is a CNS disorder. Is it a "mental illness"? The fringe claim, for a long time, was that it was a physical illness, den Broeder, I think it has been, calls it an "inflammation." Which it might well be. But there is no clean boundary between physical illness and mental illness. The brain, after all, is physical. But the brain also carries images, patterns, and these patterns interact with the physical.

I had a daughter come down with Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome. There are resemblances. There are physical changes (inflammation!) associated with it. Yet the treatment that worked, in the end, was essentially reprogramming of what is ordinarily not conscious. That treatment was by experts who knew exactly what they were doing. The treatment hurt like hell, but, then . . . it was over. It was like a miracle, but she had to pass through the wall of fire to get there. Two days of therapy, she was walking again and returned her rented wheelchair (which was the only thing that allowed her to still have a life with this disorder). "I love you but I don't need you any more."

My guess is that pain medication would have suppressed what she needed. And I read about CRPS now, and it is like reading ancient history when they believed something that was complete nonsense. Her original pain was physical, i.e., out in the body itself, a kneecap subluxation, they speculated. Then her reflexes took over and created pain to protect her. That, at least, is how I came to understand it. She was radically disabled. And many medical professionals were dismissive and clueless. "It's all in your head. Get rid of that wheelchair."

No, it wasn't, or not all. It was probably in the spinal column, reflexes had been created. (One of the names for CRPS is RSD, reflex sympathetic dystrophy.) "It's in your head" was useless. All pain is in our head. So new?