Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fram 2

[Anyone]

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41:9

Still waiting for Drmies and Ritchie33 to weigh in.

The mighty Oracle from Oregon is at #2 in the list of opposes. Good for him. He's a good guy.

[Anyone]

Support on general principles. Is Fram the most polite? No. Does Fram take criticism onboard and modify their behaviour accordingly? Yes. They were railroaded by a borderline incompetent editor with a clear COI and connections at high levels within the WMF. ARBCOM failed to find any reason to desysop (and had previously declined cases regarding Fram which included...checks notes...all of the 'evidence' provided in the recent case), and yet for some reason didn't reinstate a user permission which had been removed solely as either a standard when banning an admin, or as an extra twist of the knife. There is quite simply no logical reason for Fram to not have the bit.

This is that fucking lunatic Vigilant.

The language is his, so are the motivations.

Seth edits an article about some spastic organization where losers dress up as -- and pretend to be -- medieval knights. Hence Vigilant's former avatar showing a guy with a metal breastplate.

[Carrite]

Personal to Crow: Wouldn't this have been more fun if we both had skin in the game?

tim

[Anyone]

Drmies has opposed [#15].

He mentions one of Fram's comments:

Can you be even more despicable, Drmies? You unbanned a ******

He then mentions another comment that was oversighted as "Potentially libelous/defamatory".

These comments refer to Guido.

EDIT
While the supports are mostly perfunctory and lame, the opposes are strong, considered and intelligent.

[JuiceBeetle]

Fram's already falling on swords:

Can you guarantee that you will not harass or intimidate other editors, especially our elected representatives, and will start accepting the findings and remedies of ArbCom?

Considering that you authored the BLP-deleted Signpost article about me, and then continued to make false claims about me at the arb case request about that Signpost page, I prefer not to interact with you. Fram (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

[Anyone]

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53:25

The tide is definitely turning. Strong opposes are racking up.

No word yet from Richie.

[Anyone]

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Opposes:

#8. No, per Carrite above.
#20. Concur with Carrite and GMG
#27. Reluctant oppose, significantly informed by Carrite's !vote

[Carrite]

And here is the delicious irony that I want to make sure is not missed: It was the opposition vote of Drmies that turned the tide, really a full on roundhouse right hook followed by several kicks to the head and torso of Fram's prostrate frame.

15. No, because of the last ArbCom elections, which they tried to tank (well, I didn't get in, so I guess they were successful). Somewhere in there they suggested I have students write for DYK so I can get "free reviews", which is pretty ridiculous. I went looking for the diff, but found it's oversighted. I ran into a couple more such edits of theirs on the same occasion, this ("Can you be even more despicable, Drmies? You unbanned a ******") and this (oversighted as "Potentially libelous/defamatory"), and now I'm kind of sick to my stomach. One wonders why they never sought to desysop me; they were eager enough to do that for other admins.

I don't know what prompts a person to make those kinds of statements; I was fine with not running into this admin for the while. I didn't even submit this to ArbCom, though in hindsight I should have. I didn't even follow the case, in part because the whole episode was so embarrassing in so many ways, including the blatant abuse of process by the WMF, and so I never really got a good idea of what the alleged harassment was supposed to be--but that Fram is capable of saying horrible things is clear to me. The RfA is likely to pass, and as a certified sheep I will fall in line with the community, but if I live out my Wikipedia career without ever seeing them again that will be a good thing. (User:Xeno, they aren't "curt"--they made a ton of edits that had to be oversighted.) Drmies (talk) 7:44 am, Today (UTC−7)

The Drmies haters here must feel dizzy...

Sit down and breathe deeply!

RfB

[Anyone]

The Drmies haters here must feel dizzy...

Au contraire.

I said above I was waiting for Drmies and Ritchie33 to weigh in.

IMO, the opposes that matter will be:

1. Carrite -- because he's intelligent and respected
2. Drmies -- because he's influential
3. Ritchie -- because he's extremely well liked
4. Molly -- because she's a woman and member of Arbcom

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55:36

[Carrite]

The Drmies haters here must feel dizzy...

Au contraire.

I said above I was waiting for Drmies and Ritchie33 to weigh in.

IMO, the opposes that matter will be:

2. Drmies -- because he's influential
3. Ritchie -- because he's extremely well liked
4. Molly -- because she's a woman and member of Arbcom

11H30 BANGKOK TIME

55:36

Wow, Molly came down as a No? That's really pretty astonishing...

RfB

Ah, those are theoretical opposes.

I don't think Molly is even gonna vote on this. Truth be told, she should have recused out of the entire Arbcom case due to the fiasco of Fram having blocked her, even though she proved to be the fairest and best Arb on the case.

RfB