Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fram 2

[Anyone]

The Drmies Effect

Very early in this RFA -- when Fram was ahead by more than 75% [41:9] -- I predicted Drmies would oppose. I also predicted that his oppose [along with those from Carrite, Ritchie and Molly] would determine the outcome of this RFA.

Let's take a look at things. As you'll see, Drmies crushed Fram almost single-handedly.

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#8: No, per Carrite above.

#20: Concerns with their temperament being simply unbecoming of an administrator. Concur with Carrite and GMG

#22: Oppose Per many of the reasons brought up by others, specifically Drmies.

#24: Strong Oppose, largely per Drmies.

#26: Oppose. Temperament concerns. The comments by Drmies and Kirill Lokshin are especially concerning.

#27: Reluctant oppose, significantly informed by Carrite's !vote.

#30: Oppose per many of the above, particularly Drmies.

#33: Oppose. I was going to oppose because of temperament and judgment, but what Fram did to Drmies is beyond any boundaries of decency.

#41: What Drmies talks about is just the latest example that pushed me from abstain-leaning-oppose to adding my name to this column.

#56: Oppose like Bbb23 I was going to oppose due to temperament among other things but it pales in comparison to Drmies oppose.

#59: Strong Oppose per many of the above comments, including those from @Drmies .....

#62: Oppose per most of the above, especially Drmies.

#65: Drmies sums it up well.

#68: Oppose per Drmies ...

#69: Oppose per Carrite, GMG, Drmies, et al.

#70: Oppose per many of the civility concerns expressed above, including by SusunW, GMG, Levich, Battleofalma and Drmies. I take Drmies at their word that the comments were amiss, knowing them to be a highly trusted and respected user.

#77: Their previous behavior, vis-à-vis Drmies oppose, should give anyone pause.

#78: Oppose, reluctantly, due to temperamental issues highlighted by Drmies and others.

#100: Oppose Drmies and everyone else

#102: Oppose. Keeping my scope of analysis to within the last year, the conduct during the ArbCom election as described by Drmies and Kirill is my major cause for concern

#114: Oppose. I was leaning oppose coming into this based on the public evidence submitted to arbcom and my own interactions with Fram and my observations of his behaviour over the years, but his answers to Smallbones' questions, and the comments by Carrite, Rich Farmbrough (in part), OxonAlex, MLauba, Montanabw, Gamaliel (in part), GMG, Drmies (in part) ...

#120: It is clear from many, many posts above, especially (but by no means limited to) the evidence presented by Carrite, Drmies, Mlauba and many others, that Fram does not have the temperment to effectively wield the mop.

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Now, to more important matters, I clearly totally won that bet. Let the record show that I said more things that came true, than Timmy did.

Jesus H Fucking Christ. You TOTALLY lost the bet.

Per page #1 of this thread:

Prediction time. I say he passes with 66%.

Honestly I think he will pass by a landslide.

All right, now you're talking my language, Mr. Crow. Fram will withdraw at the 11th hour in the 50-60% approval range, clearly heading for failure.

Tim came closest.

And at 24H00 Bangkok time -- when it was at 59:42 -- CrowNest was talking about Cratchat: "Down to 60%, perhaps even lower, that won't even matter. 'Crats will just phone it in as a win".

Did you people really not see this RFA was plummeting to 50% and lower?

[CrowsNest]

I've mentioned elsewhere a couple notorious WP jerks who turned it around and became civil — Sarek of Vulcan and TenPoundHammer. There's a chance Fram could achieve something similar; if any one incident is gonna be a catalyst for personal change at WP, going into a vote like this all cocky and confident and getting his balls kicked in in about 26 hours is gonna do it...

The difference obviously being that they didn't have a whole bunch of people telling them they were not the problem, the Lizard People are.

There's no hope.....hope......here. Seems equally likely Fram will spend the next twelve months doing a Kumioko / The Rambling Man. Flooding the noticeboards with reports and with each and every single one, adding a comment about how it would be more convenient for everyone if they just gave him what he wants. A professional pest/victim.

[CrowsNest]

A look at the trend graph says a lot about Fram's attitude problem.

He greeted this RfA like he treats an AN/I report he has filed, by trying to blindly flail on, well past the point it is obvious he has misjudged the room.

He never really raced off into the lead, his high point being 80% after just three hours, with only 40 supporters in the bank. It took only nine hours for the opposition to have entirely eliminated his lead, at ~70 votes each, which is crazy bad. It stayed that way, neck and neck, for just under twelve hours.

It then got really bad, opposition actually running into the lead. The divergence happened at around 103:103, and in the space of just ~eight hours, where support could only add another ~5, opposition had grown by ~20.

It's scary to think how bad it could have ended, the trends show the support was already pretty much gassed, but the opposition was actually gathering pace, being added at a rate faster than when the two camps were neck and neck.

People mentioned time zones and sleep, but Fram had two clear chances to pull the rip cord. He had reached parity well before he would have gone to bed, so he could have only gone to bed with a wildly unrealistic hope that something was going to turn things around, and massively.

Even if you excuse that, perhaps due to him being overwhelmed and not seeing the big picture, which is itself a worrying trait, you can't excuse him getting up and not pulling EJECT when it was clear all that had happened overnight was a neck-and-neck race, and indeed depending on what time he has his mayonnaise on toast, the break had perhaps already happened. It took him watching that break unfold for a whole morning, before he finally accepted the inevitable.

The guy wasted a hell of a lot of people's time, and added a whole bunch more toxicity to the en.wiki ecosystem, all on his forlorn hope, his crazy belief that somehow, someway, if he just kept battling, he would prevail.

He was Fram, the very worst of Fram, until it became untenable. To have been any more Fram, would have been so ridiculous as to be farcical, if it wasn't already.

So, absent any clear statements of what he has really learned, he probably still is Fram.

[JuiceBeetle]

I'm a little shocked myself that this thing fell below 50%; I figured 60% was his worst case scenario... Remember, he originally won tools in 2007 in a vote that went 55-0 in his favor...

Did you people really not see this RFA was plummeting to 50% and lower?

That surprised me as well.
Regarding his first rfa 55-0:
RfA is kind of like a first date, with a marriage in the morning, if it goes well. Breaking up a few weeks after moving in is not possible: it will take years and 3 arbcom cases to divorce...

I have this impression of Nosebagbear's RfA too. He's young, friendly, inexperienced, that can turn into anything in a year... but now he's flying at (84/1).

There's no hope.....hope......here. Seems equally likely Fram will spend the next twelve months doing a Kumioko / The Rambling Man. Flooding the noticeboards with reports and with each and every single one, adding a comment about how it would be more convenient for everyone if they just gave him what he wants. A professional pest/victim.

I do give him more rope and faith. Of course you might be right in the end, but I'm always hopeful

[Guido den Broeder]

The Drmies Effect

Very early in this RFA -- when Fram was ahead by more than 75% [41:9] -- I predicted Drmies would oppose. I also predicted that his oppose [along with those from Carrite, Ritchie and Molly] would determine the outcome of this RFA.

Let's take a look at things. As you'll see, Drmies crushed Fram almost single-handedly.

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#8: No, per Carrite above.

#20: Concerns with their temperament being simply unbecoming of an administrator. Concur with Carrite and GMG

#22: Oppose Per many of the reasons brought up by others, specifically Drmies.

#24: Strong Oppose, largely per Drmies.

#26: Oppose. Temperament concerns. The comments by Drmies and Kirill Lokshin are especially concerning.

#27: Reluctant oppose, significantly informed by Carrite's !vote.

#30: Oppose per many of the above, particularly Drmies.

#33: Oppose. I was going to oppose because of temperament and judgment, but what Fram did to Drmies is beyond any boundaries of decency.

#41: What Drmies talks about is just the latest example that pushed me from abstain-leaning-oppose to adding my name to this column.

#56: Oppose like Bbb23 I was going to oppose due to temperament among other things but it pales in comparison to Drmies oppose.

#59: Strong Oppose per many of the above comments, including those from @Drmies .....

#62: Oppose per most of the above, especially Drmies.

#65: Drmies sums it up well.

#68: Oppose per Drmies ...

#69: Oppose per Carrite, GMG, Drmies, et al.

#70: Oppose per many of the civility concerns expressed above, including by SusunW, GMG, Levich, Battleofalma and Drmies. I take Drmies at their word that the comments were amiss, knowing them to be a highly trusted and respected user.

#77: Their previous behavior, vis-à-vis Drmies oppose, should give anyone pause.

#78: Oppose, reluctantly, due to temperamental issues highlighted by Drmies and others.

#100: Oppose Drmies and everyone else

#102: Oppose. Keeping my scope of analysis to within the last year, the conduct during the ArbCom election as described by Drmies and Kirill is my major cause for concern

#114: Oppose. I was leaning oppose coming into this based on the public evidence submitted to arbcom and my own interactions with Fram and my observations of his behaviour over the years, but his answers to Smallbones' questions, and the comments by Carrite, Rich Farmbrough (in part), OxonAlex, MLauba, Montanabw, Gamaliel (in part), GMG, Drmies (in part) ...

#120: It is clear from many, many posts above, especially (but by no means limited to) the evidence presented by Carrite, Drmies, Mlauba and many others, that Fram does not have the temperment to effectively wield the mop.

I'm pleased that Fram calling me a pedophile is what brought him down. It would be even nicer if I get unblocked now. Any admin can do this.

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I'm pleased that Fram calling me a pedophile is what brought him down. It would be even nicer if I get unblocked now. Any admin can do this.

Interesting is that Fram's demise appears to have little or nothing to do with Laura Hale. This of course is contrary to what that worthless lunatic, Vigilant, has been obsessing about for the last 2 or 3 months.

[Carrite]

I'm pleased that Fram calling me a pedophile is what brought him down. It would be even nicer if I get unblocked now. Any admin can do this.

Interesting is that Fram's demise appears to have little or nothing to do with Laura Hale. This of course is contrary to what that worthless lunatic, Vigilant, has been obsessing about for the last 2 or 3 months.

The Yuri Blanter affair didn't come up either.

Fram's career of arrogance, hubris, and badgering nastiness made him a veritable Las Vegas buffet of assholery for RFA Opposers. Take a little of this and a little of that, skip the stuff you don't want...

RfB

[Graaf Statler]

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Fram's career of arrogance, hubris, and badgering nastiness made him a veritable Las Vegas buffet of assholery for RFA Opposers. Take a little of this and a little of that, skip the stuff you don't want...

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But Fram and Drmies are only a few of the total assholes, there are so many of them. Or better, complete wikipedia is filled up with total crap.
And that is the reason I don't believe in self governing internet systems.

Because a asshole a Fram gets full support, although he has called Guido a pedophile without any, any proof. And that is the same with Alexande/Vig boy, nobody takes care what a tota crap he has spread about me. And nobody will say your a fat overpaid asshole and just shut up now to him.

No, you also are defending this complete confused person, Timmy boy. And start a troll offensive here with Gazzie and Kum.

[CrowsNest]

It says everything about Fram that at the very time he was supposed to be showing off his best self, he was still evasive, combative, and obstinate.

Even if he is a completely changed man, and that really is a ridiculous hope based on no evidence at all that I can see, it still doesn't address the fact Wikipedia is chock fill of people who just can't see what is in front of their faces.

No word of a lie, Ceoil actually believes Fram lost because all the people he has pissed off with his DYK patrolling, turned out to vote.

Delusional.

Even if this was remotely true, it shows those Wikipedians simply cannot fathom a world where doing quality control doesn't piss people off. It about how you approach people and issues.

As this RfA attested, at least some people think Fram actually has zero empathy, and dehumanises people. Imagine how bad you have to come across, for people to think that?