BU Rob13, from IP to Admin in 13 months

[Flip Flopped]

Wonder if he's aiming for bureaucrat. He actually expects people to believe he's a new user? Kumi, if he edited some other wiki, would he know how to do all that stuff on Wikipedia?

Yes it would certainly help to know wiki syntax and some basic HTML but Wikipedia's processes like the stuff for deletion boards and the use of the warning templates is pretty unique and requires some time to learn. Not that long mind you, but not likely to be figured out in the first month.

Yes, wiki-process is very detailed and deep.

[Mutineer]

There hasn't been nearly enough discussion about this shady admin so I am going to start this off in the hopes that others will continue to expand on this. There has been something bugging me about this guy for a while now and I believe they are almost certainly a sock of someone who has edited before, possibly even someone with previous admin experience.

Without looking into this particular one, these guys are anonymizing themselves. Do they do it for privacy or do they do it to push others (and newbies!) around. I didn't like how they treated you, including how that organism Wormthatturned unblocked you on this "never criticize an administrator" bull, and then you were reblocked without actually doing it.

Obviously, there are also some good administrators.

[Kumioko]

Thanks, when you stand up to bullies one of 2 things happen. You either get beat up or you win. In this case they overwhelmed me by force and although I held my ground and fought them for years, they eventually won over sheer force of numbers due to the morally corrupt nature of a lot of the admins and the WMF employees. It's pretty heard to win when the deck is stacked against you. People can say they don't like me, that I was a "net negative", that the site was better off without me or whatever but they cannot say I don't care about the project, the cannot say I didn't improve the project and they cannot say I didn't go out without a fight.

If, at the end of the day the WMF and the community would rather have abusive admins, trolls, bullies who cause even Wikimedia directors and employees to resign over violence and threats and people like BU Rob who are obviously returned editors socking, then that is going to develop the social structure and culture in a negative way. If that is really what they want, then they deserve what they get.

[Graaf Statler]

They are a bunch of bastards, Kumioko. Non of my articles ware controversial, I was never involved in edits wars, most times I was very polite, but the free source freaks freaked out when I said the system they use to build up there articles up is not allowed in Europe. Because we have a different legal system, and WP-NL is under two legal systems. What it is true,,I asked a expert, and Whaledad two. Result: trolling, trolling trolling. Arbcom trolling, Meta trolling, SanfanBan trolling. And now Wikiquote trolling.
They do everything what is forbidden, fill there pockets with donor money, and say: Don't you like it? Well, go to court, and that is a very easy solution if it is not your money!

[Kumioko]

Well it looks like you can add Checkuser to the list of hats that Bu Rob has collected on EnWP in his first 15 months of being a Wikipedia editor.

This shows a couple problems to me:
First, Bu Rob is an obvious sock and the administrators on the English Wikipedia nor the WMF seem to care about that.
Secondly as a Checkuser that means he had to "identify" with the WMF, so that means the WMF knows who the real life identity is and didn't bother to check into their history. This validates the concerns voiced in the past that there is no official vetting. They just look at whenever ID is given, potentially even a fake one, and discard it.

So now you either have an admin/Checkuser/Member of the Bot Approval Group (BAG) that has barely a little over 1 year of experience now imposing their will on editors who have been there 10 plus years with far longer collaboration histories or you have someone who is an obvious sock with a longer history of contributions that they let on.

No matter how we decide to look at this, the outcome isn't ideal.

[sashi]

On a personal note, I can say that they sure did seem to be speaking from years of experience as an admin for their only comments ever as BU Rob13 to bureaucrat Dweller's talk page:

(The discussion turns on the fact that Wikipedia is said to have chosen to modify the user-group to which deletelogentry is assigned in mediawiki. (In DefaultSettings.php it is set to "sysop"))

Code: Select all

$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deletelogentry'] = true;

BU Rob13 produces, of course, no evidence related to the correctness or incorrectness of Goldenring's accusations, which have never been given any fact-based hearing. Sagecandor (Cirt)'s prosecutorial claims were reproduced without analysis based on a chorus of involved editors singing their Gospel.

Didn't GAB also recently become a checkuser?

[Kumioko]

No, it dosn't look like they are a checkuser yet.

Here is another link from BU Rob himself indicating they have been around longer than the year they claim:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=806341157&oldid=806341079

That's historically untrue. The community has banned many individuals who are contributing in good-faith but doing a poor job of it to the point that they're a net negative. [[WP:CIR]], etc.

Really Rob? How would you know, historically you have only been here for a year so how would you even know that?

[sashi]

Yep, you're right, I just checked. I was actually confused with Sro23, who for some reason I thought was picking up the slack for Bbb23.

But I guess that -- like GAB -- they're just involved in making sure corner puppet shows seem to have their zoning licenses in order, because they don't appear either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:L ... /checkuser

so for the record neither Sro23, nor GAB have checkuser, just licences for duck-shooting season.

I was looking through the mediawiki software the other day and noticed that "invisible users" can be created.

[Kumioko]

Yep, you're right, I just checked. I was actually confused with Sro23, who for some reason I thought was picking up the slack for Bbb23.

But I guess that -- like GAB -- they're just involved in making sure corner puppet shows seem to have their zoning licenses in order, because they don't appear either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:L ... /checkuser

so for the record neither Sro23, nor GAB have checkuser, just licences for duck-shooting season.

I was looking through the mediawiki software the other day and noticed that "invisible users" can be created.

Yeah invisible uses has been a thing for a while in Mediawiki software wise but I believe the WMF turned that feature off for the WMF wiki's.

[sashi]

Sorry off-topic. I should try to figure out how that works. What would the point of that be? to hide cosmetic edits of various sorts maybe...

So Kumioko, while you've caught my attention with the previously unknown (to me, at least) BU Rob13 who magically appeared in my case, I wonder if you know Capitals00 too ?