Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:53 pm

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ArbCom blocked! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GizzyCatBella They even made it a hard block (i.e. no talk page or even e-mail). I wonder if Volunteer Marek et al will be next...?
Wow I just can't believe it. Who would have ever thought that Holocaust distortionists paid by the Polish government would be sockpuppets? It's probably Icewhiz trying to discredit them.

Not good for Marek because it removes the sacrificial lamb who was ahead of him in line.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:08 pm

boredbird wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:53 pm
Bbb23sucks wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:56 pm
ArbCom blocked! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GizzyCatBella They even made it a hard block (i.e. no talk page or even e-mail). I wonder if Volunteer Marek et al will be next...?
Wow I just can't believe it. Who would have ever thought that Holocaust distortionists paid by the Polish government would be sockpuppets? It's probably Icewhiz trying to discredit them.

Not good for Marek because it removes the sacrificial lamb who was ahead of him in line.
There is still Nihil novi, Lembit Staan, and Xx236.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by wexter » Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:00 am

Ognistysztorm wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:08 pm
boredbird wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:53 pm
Bbb23sucks wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:56 pm
ArbCom blocked! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GizzyCatBella They even made it a hard block (i.e. no talk page or even e-mail). I wonder if Volunteer Marek et al will be next...?
Wow I just can't believe it. Who would have ever thought that Holocaust distortionists paid by the Polish government would be sockpuppets? It's probably Icewhiz trying to discredit them.

Not good for Marek because it removes the sacrificial lamb who was ahead of him in line.
There is still Nihil novi, Lembit Staan, and Xx236.
"The arbitration committee" used the low hanging fruit of a old worn out sock to advantage; by shutting down GizzyCatBella on the basis of socks puppetry it means they don't have to make a judgement/decision about lacking effective internal controls, rules, and processes.

Wikipedia (WMF) does not have to take any responsibility! It is the same deflection playbook recently used by Jimbo Wales. It's not Jimbo's spurious conduct; it is easier to blame (bradv) a low level conflicted editor.

Been reading the nearly incomprehensible "analysis" phase which identifies the toxic nature of Wikipedia by recognizing the;
level of aggression and hostility displayed by some editors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... d/Analysis
GizzyCatBella and VM are low hanging fruit - Lets see if they continue to circle the wagons to protect Piotrus..

The "Alleged sock" was diddling around in 2011 ~ hardly relevant to the personal or bigger issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... &limit=500

Look at the participants below!;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ek/Archive
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:28 am

Ognistysztorm wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:11 pm
Bbb23sucks wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:56 pm
Ognistysztorm wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:30 am
GCB was smoked as a suspected sock of Jacurek, although my money is that she's coached and canvassed by the latter over the years.
https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... 50#p324582
ArbCom blocked! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GizzyCatBella They even made it a hard block (i.e. no talk page or even e-mail). I wonder if Volunteer Marek et al will be next...?

Edit: Anyone else notice that all three users in this thread all have very similar signatures?
There is prior sockpuppetry case involving Jacurek and what I found is there are mentions of him hiring or canvassing editors for his cause. It's an obvious tag team, or a cabal.
Piotrus and Marek didn't know. Uh-huh sure. They've been tag teaming for like fifteen years! (Note: Radeksz = Volunteer Marek)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... iling_list
Arbitration Committee wrote: 8) Piotrus (talk · contribs) was aware that usage of the list was inappropriate, and made efforts to keep its nature and existence secret from Wikipedia editors.
Hat tip Giraffe Stapler. Jacurek's/GizzyCatBella's first edit is an eye-opener and illustrates exactly what this dispute is about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =154352945
Jacurek/GizzyCatBella wrote: Let's not forget that the first Zionist idea for a "Jewish Homeland" (at the beginning of the 20th century) was not Palestine but what they then called "Judeopolonia", i.e. a huge chunk of what was eastern Poland! Fortunately Poland regained its independence in 1918 and nothing came of this. But the planned treachery left a bitter aftertaste during the inter-war years, as did the inordinate involvement of Jews in the communist movement and in the Russian revolution itself. From a purely political point of view (i.e. leaving aside the Jewish monopoly of trade etc.) Jews in Poland were then as "accepted" and "trusted" as Muslims are in post 07/07 Britain today. Things were made much worse at the beginning of World War II, when -- in Soviet-occupied Poland -- Jews (Polish citizens) collaborated on a truly massive scale with the Soviet secret police, giving them lists of Poles to arrest and deport to Siberia. It goes without saying that: (a) this is still a taboo subject for many Jews, and (b) after World War II the communist regime installed by the Soviets in Poland was largely run by Jews, who'd served the communist cause so well. The wave of "antisemitism" of 1968 was nothing more than an internal squabble in the Polish communist party. The Jews who were kicked out of Poland were all long-serving communist party activists like Mrs. Brus-Wolinska (now living in Oxford -- Poland is still demanding her extradition on murder charges) and Mr. Michnik's brother Stefan (also wanted by Polish courts for murders he committed in the 1950's). Since the beginning of the 1970's many of these Jews have been actively engaged in re-writing Polish history, telling the "West" how badly Jews have been treated by the Poles down the centuries and that Auschwitz was really a Polish invention. And, of course, there were Jews like Jerzy Kosinski (the author of "The Painted Bird"), whose lives had actually been saved by Poles and who'd been brought up in Polish foster families and had everything going for them, who suddenly took it upon themselves to tell English readers how badly they'd been treated in Poland because of their Jewishness. This publicity campaign only really came to an end when Poland became an ally of Britain and America in Iraq. Is it possible to lie so much? Well may you ask. From a Polish perspective, Jews have a lot to answer for. As Yehudi Menuhin once said, their trouble is that they always want to be on the winning side. The so-called Jedwabne "pogrom" was merely a publicly staged execution of Jews by the Germans, who forced Poles to watch at gunpoint. Although the Poles of Jedwabne had no reason to love the Jews (who'd just disgraced themselves by collaborating with the Soviets) the Nazi occuptaion of Poland was particularly brutal and the last thing any Pole wanted to do was collaborate with the Germans: German newspapers at the time often complained about this lack of "gratitude" on their part. It's highly significant that the Jedwabne Jews were buried together with "their" statue of Lenin, which they'd put up as soon as the Soviets came. The Kielce "pogrom" of 1947 you mention was a Russian provocation designed to blacken Poland's name in the West and to "justify" the Russian postwar occupation (an old trick). It was also designed to encourage Jews to move to Palestine (cf. the so-called pogroms in Iraq at the same time). Stalin himself secretly supported the Zionists in Palestine in order to cause trouble for the Brits and to keep a finger in the regional pie.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:46 am

boredbird wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:28 am
Hat tip Giraffe Stapler. Jacurek's/GizzyCatBella's first edit is an eye-opener and illustrates exactly what this dispute is about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =154352945
Double and triple lol. And that account "only" lasted for FOUR YEARS. As usual, the idiots are chasing the wrong sockpuppets.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by SkepticalHistorian » Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:52 pm

A single purpose account posted this on K.e.coffman‘s talk, it was quickly reverted by bradv.
GizzyCatBella / Jacurek slant and collaboration with other editors

This first talk edit by Jacurek tell you all you need to know about this person. This antisemitic rant invokes a the well known Judeopolonia antisemitic canard.

After Jacurek got into hot water over his editing of Jewish topics, with his bias crystal clear, Piotrus came in with a welcome and a barnstar.

However, this is not all. From the WikiLeaks entry Wikipediametric mailinglist: alleged cabal tactics and stalking of editors, 2009, which spurned the WP:EEML case, one can see the message post titled 20090604-1924-[WPM] New Polish cabal members_ Jacurek and Tymek.eml in this message we see Piotrus suggesting Jacurek as a possible member, and Volunteer Marek endorsing them for membership as well as stating they were in frequent e-mail contact with them.

Now to sockpuppet GizzyCatBella. This account edited Smolensk air disaster back in 2015 for a while. It then sat on a shelf for a couple of years.

GizzyCatBella was activated again in Feburary 2018. When? When Pioturs and Volunteer Marek were engaged in disputes on antisemitism in Poland.

The degree of support between GizzyCatBella and Piotrus as well as GizzyCatBella and Volunteer Marek is massive. This is not a coincidence. This includes jumping into articles and disputes on call.

Besides these being longtime collaborators for whom their old colleague is obvious, their past scheming in WP:EEML and in private e-mails is an established fact. The clearest explanation for the behaviour of Jacurek (GizzyCatBella) is that they were called in by Volunteer Marek and that the have been coordinating their activity over the past five years on Wikipedia. 46.216.155.86 (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:47 am

Wiki-go-away at its "finest"

I figured ten years ago that PIotrus is one of the "Unblockables". So do not assume anything different will happen.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by boredbird » Wed May 03, 2023 11:55 pm

From last month but discussed at the case talk page today.

https://wikihistories.net/2023/03/10/kl ... t-history/
Shira Klein wrote: For the past few years, a group of Wikipedia editors have been spreading disinformation on the history of the Holocaust. With no obvious ties to any government, they slowly but relentlessly hack away at reason and accuracy to promote ideological zeal, prejudice, and bias. Due to this group’s handiwork, Wikipedia’s coverage of Holocaust history follows a narrative touted by right-wing Polish nationalists. Its articles whitewash the role of Polish society in the Holocaust and bolster stereotypes about Jews, spinning fantastical tales about Jews’ involvement in large-scale crimes against Poles, and wildly inflating the scope of Jewish collaboration with the Nazis. Many editors have tried in vain to change the narrative over the years. How do so few editors – half a dozen at most – get away with twisting the truth? The answer lies in Wikipedia’s back pages, a vast space most people don’t know exists: talk pages (where editors discuss articles), noticeboards (where they ask questions and request assistance), and arbitration cases (where they take their disputes). Combined with interviews of editors in the field and data from Wikipedia’s statistical tool suites, a clear picture emerges. The distortionist editors misrepresent sources, use unreliable fringe sources, or cite no sources at all. They discredit established scholars and promote dubious authors until the very notion of reliability is turned on its head. They work as a team, outnumbering and exhausting their opponents. When distortionist editors do get sanctioned, they quickly bounce back because of their vast social capital on Wikipedia. There is a battle going on now, and the winners are yet to be declared. With the problem now exposed to the world, numerous new editors have stepped in to make corrections. Yet the distortionist editors are fighting tooth and nail to maintain their narrative. Meanwhile, the Arbitration Committee, Wikipedia’s highest authority, is scrambling to formulate a response, and editors across the encyclopedia are voicing concerns that the same type of problem occurs in other areas as well.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Thu May 04, 2023 12:19 am

Shira Klein wrote:Meanwhile, the Arbitration Committee, Wikipedia’s highest authority, is scrambling to formulate a response
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Bullshit.

Arbcom never "scramble" to do anything because they don't actually DO any real work. Just fumbling around and playing to their political base, small and pathetic as it really is. Nothing but a bad magic act.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Thu May 04, 2023 7:46 am

Wikipedia's Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust. Come hear me &
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Lund University. May 4, 6pm Sweden, 10am EST, 7am PST.
https://lu-se.zoom.us/j/66787108751
To read the peer-reviewed paper: https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.108 ... 23.2168939
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