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You know that problem where Wikipedians get addicted to churning out articles just to win their silly internal contests, and don't stop even after being blocked for whatever reason, which then causes a classic Wikipedia battle between those who take the view 'banned means banned' and thus want all their creations erased whenever they are discovered to deprive them of their dopamine hit, and those who prefer to turn a blind eye to the creation of good content regardless of its source, even if created by block evading editors. That well known problem. (seriously, while the rest of the world could give a fuck, this is one of those things that has for years been a source of deep division among these losers).

Well, it seems Quicksilver's ability to identify and even generate missing articles, has turned that problem up to 11. Not only does it mean you can create a bucket load more articles before you are discovered, their nature as desirable articles on missing women means a ton of editors are keen to swoop in and edit them further, without caring where they came from, which throws a spanner in the works because Wikipedia bureaucracy means you can only delete articles created by block evading users quickly, if nobody else has made any substantive edits, otherwise you have to debate each one for seven days.

The person currently doing this is Slowking4, via his sock Warren5th, but there will be plenty of other dope addicts who will like the look of this new way to win, and of course more Slowking socks.

https://xtools.wmflabs.org/pages/en.wik ... ren5th/all

At 22 articles in two weeks he was actually quite slow, but I guess not being too fast is part of the game.

The Wikipedians are struggling to find a way forward, so let me remind them that current position (which I documented in here somewhere) is that you have to undo all their contributions, and reapply them in your own name, if you want to keep them (whereby accepting all liability for any errors). Not an official policy, just the uneasy truce at the moment.

The crazy thing is, there are Wikipedians prepared to do this, happy to recreate articles under their own name that were generated by a machine and first published on Wikipedia by a crack addict. You would think people should be alarmed that one of them is Ser Amantio di Nicolao, whose claim to fame is being the most prolific article creator in Wikipedia history, who also lives in his mom's basement. But no, they're all cool with it.

At the end of the day, questions have to be asked. Is the number of women covered by Wikipedia going up (slowly) because basement dwelling dopamine addicts got their hands on some knock off NSA software, or because concerned citizens with encyclopedia writing skills have put their backs into a collective effort to redress the balance? And if the answer is a bit of both, is there a gender divide there two, men being the former, women being the latter? And more importantly, when will the two groups start fighting for resources and credit?


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:twisted: Post contains swearing and ranting throughout. :twisted:


Currently, for no good reason, wikipedia defines the way to combat this systemic gender bias as creating more articles about women.

Wikipedia is terrible at this. I mean I have done my bit, which was to create a few (hundred) articles about important women from all over the world, as was stated in the to do guide on their shiny project. Net Result? Fuck all, because all the articles were deleted without discussion per G5.

Lets see what else they achieved... oh yes, how about driving Dr. Blofeld off the project? Guy creates 96,000 articles, mostly about women. Give him a reward? Nope! Accuse him of being a worthless copyright violator, drag him through AN/I till he quits. Do the same to anyone else who likes to make articles, like elsa.rolle and whatisname. Names are not important here and listing them all is a waste of time. Point is that Wikipedia has systemically driven away anyone that cares about making articles.

Just like Wikipedia drove away anyone that cared about editing articles, anyone that cared about fixing errors, and really drives away anyone who has a brain.

Morons then do all this publicity about their "issues of systemic bias", well yes I see the fucking bias, and yes it is damn well systemic. And nope this little AI toy will not bloody well fix the problem caused by complete and utter incompetence and project mismanagement.

And what about women, well lets find a women who has edited Wikipedia. For example, my sister. Who was banned and then globally locked for having used my IP address one time. Then later globally locked again while editing on a completely different project, under her own username, using a completely different IP to me. Result. Utter fail. (but oddly not a lost editor, as she returned with a third account and didn't get blocked because proxy.) Hardly a high output editor though, having not created any new articles at all with any of her accounts.

Why? Well just maybe it's because she has better things to do that play politics on Wikipedia, maybe what I find to be a fascinating way to waste a few hours of day with instead of playing CoD or something is just not appealing? Has nobody at Wikimedia considered that their editors are mostly kids, bored students or retired teachers?

And why are the WMF so obsessed with Africa this year? Don't they know that practically no African topic meets the notability guideline? Is it maybe that they haven't read their own ~23,500 page moronic rulebook? I feel the answer here is that the WMF don't have a fucking clue, or if they do they are just hoping the donors don't know and won't find out till they have parted with their cash.

But then with the rise of these corporate rip-offs like Wikia and Everipedia and Co, why does Wikipedia even still have these rules oh so carefully crafted to maintain a pro-male, pro-western, pro-establishment bias? They have completely lost touch with the wiki ethos. It's fucking criminal.

Wikia should not exist, its basically Jimbo trying to monetise Wikipedia by establishing a rule that sends editors to his money making site. And It worked! Everipedia is a direct result of Wikipedia having no room for companies, because they are oh so big on stopping promotional articles and they must bloody well stop any dastardly paid editors, who are clearly fucking evil. Everipedia should not exist either as wikipedia should have accommodated for it's niche. Wikipedia is shedding editors and shedding brand loyalty and very soon it will be in the internet dustbin along with Geocites, AOL, Yahoo, and Bomis.

Wikipedia is touted as the free open web, but it's little more than a dusty library run by incompetent cultists with a penchant for sadism. Or maybe it's escaped everyone's attention that despite having tens of thousands of pages of rules, there is no policy on cyberbullying? Maybe this is because it's not against the rules? We wonder...

In short, are the WMF just completely up their own ass? Answer: damn right they are.


:evil: This post is a parody and should not be taken as indicative of how wikipedia operates. The real thing is much worse. :evil:

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Can't disagree, but the obsession with the WMF is misplaced. Believe it or not, they know a lot, way more than the volunteers. They know who edits Wikipedia and why, and crucially, why not. They're just not in a position to effect change. Not when, by design, change to policy and culture comes from editors. The reason they're fixated on creating more women bios, or rather helping to promote the fact this is happening and running events to do it, is because they know it is the most effective thing they can do, within the constraints of their operations. Three things stop women editors, lack of time, lack of confidence and the toxic culture. Outside of extremely inefficient RL events and pumping out bullshit PR, the WMF has little to no chance of effecting any of those things, because they are so bound up in the community.


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As noted by the highly controversial decision to add "advocacy" to the organisation's key purposes.

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That boils down to excusing them for not making a decent encyclopedia because it takes time and effort. No skill or education, just mindless grunt work. And they can't even manage to do that, the very thing they were put on this Earth for.


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