To start:
Is this a hoax? It appears in many WP articles:
"RTÉ offended viewers by depicting a dog having its legs tied together and being tossed overboard into the sea off the coast of Gola Island as part of its TV50 celebrations in a broadcast on 3 January 2012.[2] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gola_Island
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_Irish_television
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV50
The only link I could find that "verifies" it (googling this brings up all kinds of horrible stories about dogs being abused--but only one link to this business):
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/01/05/ ... gal-coast/
This IP address editor is responsible, and might have posted more hoaxes (if this is in fact a hoax):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:C ... .40.98.149
Hoaxes you run across
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Re: Hoaxes you run across
I found this site: https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/rte-in ... clip-30814 Their article dates to 2012.
The dog-drowning footage is from a 1970 TV documentary on the evacuation of Gola Island (Terminus: Gola Island). I can't find the film to save my life, but here is a Facebook event marker from 2012 for the RTE re-broadcast: https://www.facebook.com/events/817876978296121/
Looking deeper I found a JSTOR reference from 1970 in Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review: https://www.jstor.org/stable/30088893?s ... b_contents It mentions a film titled Terminus and there was a book that went with the film.
I think this is a real movie that was shown on Irish TV in 1970 and 2012; I think that people were saddened by the death of a island community when the film was originally broadcast, by 2012 enough people in Ireland were living well enough that animal cruelty like drowning a dog you can't keep when you move from an island farmhouse to a city apartment was shocking, and thus the outrage and the inability to see the film online. It's like the late-'80s video Surviving Edged Weapons - it was made for cops as a "film aid" when they did melee combat training and how to disarm people with various blades, knives, and other non-gun weapons. The trick is, the scenarios they come up with are utterly over the top, however when a cop character is killed, they show similar wounds on corpses of alleged cops - drunk loonie shoves a sword through his front door at the gut of a detective serving a warrant, you get to see a similar wound on a dead person. They do this without warning - it goes from insane action film to medical school photographs immediately. And the cops (all from Milwaukee with the thickest accents possible) get slashed with broken glass, shot with crossbow bolts, meat-cleavered to the head, etc. You also get to see a Tanto knife blade go through a GM car door like a nail through wood. My point is, it's a matter of context. The cop has to get ready to possibly see gore while doing the job, and who knows if the next generation of street drugs will make their users psychotic machete-wielding cop killers, so train them in dealing with the most extreme examples. Certainly it helps build the wall of "us vs. them" policing, but that was the '80s, the decade of hype. With the Gola islanders that dog-drowning scene was either supposed to be matter-of-fact, a sign of how desperate the family was, or how backward the islanders were, or a symbol of the death of truly rural Ireland. I don't think it was staged, unlike the cow killing scene in Apocalypse Now; I think the RTE cameraman caught a spontaneous event on film and the editor put it in.
The dog-drowning footage is from a 1970 TV documentary on the evacuation of Gola Island (Terminus: Gola Island). I can't find the film to save my life, but here is a Facebook event marker from 2012 for the RTE re-broadcast: https://www.facebook.com/events/817876978296121/
Looking deeper I found a JSTOR reference from 1970 in Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review: https://www.jstor.org/stable/30088893?s ... b_contents It mentions a film titled Terminus and there was a book that went with the film.
I think this is a real movie that was shown on Irish TV in 1970 and 2012; I think that people were saddened by the death of a island community when the film was originally broadcast, by 2012 enough people in Ireland were living well enough that animal cruelty like drowning a dog you can't keep when you move from an island farmhouse to a city apartment was shocking, and thus the outrage and the inability to see the film online. It's like the late-'80s video Surviving Edged Weapons - it was made for cops as a "film aid" when they did melee combat training and how to disarm people with various blades, knives, and other non-gun weapons. The trick is, the scenarios they come up with are utterly over the top, however when a cop character is killed, they show similar wounds on corpses of alleged cops - drunk loonie shoves a sword through his front door at the gut of a detective serving a warrant, you get to see a similar wound on a dead person. They do this without warning - it goes from insane action film to medical school photographs immediately. And the cops (all from Milwaukee with the thickest accents possible) get slashed with broken glass, shot with crossbow bolts, meat-cleavered to the head, etc. You also get to see a Tanto knife blade go through a GM car door like a nail through wood. My point is, it's a matter of context. The cop has to get ready to possibly see gore while doing the job, and who knows if the next generation of street drugs will make their users psychotic machete-wielding cop killers, so train them in dealing with the most extreme examples. Certainly it helps build the wall of "us vs. them" policing, but that was the '80s, the decade of hype. With the Gola islanders that dog-drowning scene was either supposed to be matter-of-fact, a sign of how desperate the family was, or how backward the islanders were, or a symbol of the death of truly rural Ireland. I don't think it was staged, unlike the cow killing scene in Apocalypse Now; I think the RTE cameraman caught a spontaneous event on film and the editor put it in.
Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.
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Re: Hoaxes you run across
Asked Alison about this on Facebook and she remembered that said dog drowning really happened, it was in a VERY old documentary. So this, although an utterly obscure factoid, it appears to not be an actual hoax.
If you run across anything that's a little too weird to be believed, and can't find hard evidence to back it up, post it here. Wikipedia has always had problems with "subtle hoaxes" and they are usually well-hidden and difficult to find deliberately, so making a study of how many WP hoaxes there are and how long they last is nearly impossible. Long ago I even posted a few comments on WO about how to create a subtle hoax and post it so that it lasted.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=1488
also Yuri Gadyukin. Phony websites were even created to support it.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=1825
If you run across anything that's a little too weird to be believed, and can't find hard evidence to back it up, post it here. Wikipedia has always had problems with "subtle hoaxes" and they are usually well-hidden and difficult to find deliberately, so making a study of how many WP hoaxes there are and how long they last is nearly impossible. Long ago I even posted a few comments on WO about how to create a subtle hoax and post it so that it lasted.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=1488
Here's a serious suggestion for generating lots of hoaxes: create a website for statistics on nonexistent soccer or cricket teams,
perhaps in an obscure country like Palau or Western Sahara. Add in the names of large numbers of nonexistent players for
said teams, past or present. Then generate WP stubs for all said teams and players. No one will check them, if there's just
one website "reference" that backs each one up. WP contains 160,000 biographies of football players (all kinds of football),
most of them are stubs generated by bots with one reference, and no one has EVER checked most of them. Probably never will either.
also Yuri Gadyukin. Phony websites were even created to support it.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=1825
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Re: Hoaxes you run across
Somebody did that exact thing for places as well, which due to the circular nature of free data and reference building has in my opinion increased the number of towns in Africa by 10% or more.
The result is places which absolutely never existed, which you can Google and find 10-15 geographic databases, some wikipedia mirrors, several hotel sites, maybe a few photos automatically geotagged as being taken there, travel guides, etc.
One non-existent town featured several hotels (all listed on tripadvisor type sites despite not existing), a small airport with fake charter company, a mayor, town assembly, several notable residents and 6 or 7 plausible reliable looking sources, all completely based on some kids hoax. The main giveaway was that he had made himself the mayor of a place that really did exist in America 8 years later. All the sources had been added by experienced editors over time but were circular links based on the original hoax.
The result is places which absolutely never existed, which you can Google and find 10-15 geographic databases, some wikipedia mirrors, several hotel sites, maybe a few photos automatically geotagged as being taken there, travel guides, etc.
One non-existent town featured several hotels (all listed on tripadvisor type sites despite not existing), a small airport with fake charter company, a mayor, town assembly, several notable residents and 6 or 7 plausible reliable looking sources, all completely based on some kids hoax. The main giveaway was that he had made himself the mayor of a place that really did exist in America 8 years later. All the sources had been added by experienced editors over time but were circular links based on the original hoax.
Re: Hoaxes you run across
Honestly, you people are so ready to assume the worst. I for one absolutely believe that Gola Island is a country, whose leader's name is "The Gola Bear".
With an audit trail like this, who wouldn't?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =774111144
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =784316176
Wikipedia is the future. My mate Tim Davenport assured me it is respected and generally considered reliable by the general public. He didn't mean for information like this of course. He meant the other information it contains.
Not this information. Not pages that were viewed 225 times on 25th October this year, for reasons unknown. Not information that has been accepted and even modified by a Wikipedia user with OVER SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND EDITS.
All your need to do, as far as I can tell, is BELIEVE.
Me, I prefer to follow the disclaimer. It says Tim Davenport is an idiot. And a pussy. Or it will do in about ten seconds......
With an audit trail like this, who wouldn't?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =774111144
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =784316176
Wikipedia is the future. My mate Tim Davenport assured me it is respected and generally considered reliable by the general public. He didn't mean for information like this of course. He meant the other information it contains.
Not this information. Not pages that were viewed 225 times on 25th October this year, for reasons unknown. Not information that has been accepted and even modified by a Wikipedia user with OVER SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND EDITS.
All your need to do, as far as I can tell, is BELIEVE.
Me, I prefer to follow the disclaimer. It says Tim Davenport is an idiot. And a pussy. Or it will do in about ten seconds......
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Alas the disclaimer is fully protected...
This is by far one of the most funny hoaxes around, and not least because an experience editor reformatted it to look better and then an admin edited the page and didn't see it either.
This is by far one of the most funny hoaxes around, and not least because an experience editor reformatted it to look better and then an admin edited the page and didn't see it either.
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Re: Hoaxes you run across
CrowsNest wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gola_Island&diff=prev&oldid=774111144
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =784316176
lol nice find
Not information that has been accepted and even modified by a Wikipedia user with OVER SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND EDITS.
If you are talking about Frietjes, she is just one of their many clueless bot-drivers. I can't find any evidence she actually reads or understands the content she messes with every day. 652,000 edits in eight years.....only a bot freak can manage that.