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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:25 am

Copyright would clearly be a massive issue for RexxS. Here's an incident I was reminded of while doing the above search.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... _March.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... s_problems

Ritchie uploaded a picture to Commons that was an obvious copyright violation. Slam dunk obvious. He has a history of doing that. When it was rightfully deleted, he flipped the fuck out and insulted the Commons Administrators. He has a history of doing that too. So far, so Ritchie. But hey, we all know the sort of ignorant tempestuous fool who has previously been able to make Wikipedia Administrator on trust. By a landslide btw. Check it out - lots of supporters saying similar things as in this RfA, plus of course RexxS supporting "without reservations". Drmies wanted Ritchie promoted because he wanted help on copyright investigations. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Ritchie333

Worse than his usual fare, this time, his blood boiling, psycho Ritchie came back to his home wiki and sought out the Super-Troll and copyright ignoramus Giano, knowing his history of all out warfare against Commons, to see if there was some way they could team up to destroy them out of revenge. Just what you want from the Wikipedia Administration (and a task many of them enthusiastically engage in).

Now, RexxS by no means comes out of this incident looking like the worst person at the party. But when judging him by the standards of even a sort of OK Administrator, his brief contribution was less than helpful. He had nothing to say about Ritchie's behaviour. Why would you? Can't be upsetting your friends like that. Because RexxS either didn't spot it was a copyright violation, or just didn't care, his recommendation to Ritchie was to upload the file locally to Wikipedia, and use the {Keep Local} template, which was invented to shield Giano from the consequences of his ignorance, to apparently make sure it never gets deleted. He even hinted at a fair use exemption, which in this case clearly doesn't apply.

It's stuff like that which puts much needed context as to why RexxS was earlier seen talking absolute utter bollocks about copyright to justify why he was fucking around with copyright tags on Giano's images, causing and then needlessly extending a pointless dispute, whose best solution was going back in time and not letting Giano be such a privelaged little fuck, and actually make him learn what he is supposed to learn if he wants to upload images. Bishonen of course, is a massive reason why Giano has a special exemption to everything. RexxS the Administrator will presumably join her in that effort.

It's amazing to me to think Fram, a massive hardliner on copyright, is honorably sitting this one out, believing his history of dispute with RexxS makes him unsuitable to judge his suitability as an Administrator. It's a shame people like Ritchie don't do the same. Ritchie, of course, wants Fram desysopped for incompetence. What was that about Dunning-Kruger effect? You fucking prats.

On this evidence, I'd say RexxS, much like Ritchie, might never actually learn the basics of copyright, much less take it as seriously as they should be. They only ever seem to see it as an obstacle, to be overcome. They act like being familiar with even the basics (and these two incidents were the very basics, most issues are way more complicated), is somehow too much of an onerous task for content creators. For obvious reasons, Wikipedia needs Administrators like that like they need a hole in the head.

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:37 pm

His percentage is creeping up, but with 68 opposes, we have already blown well past the point anyone can reasonably say success here would be unusual but not outside the bounds of reasonableness. I've only checked as far back as 2010, and there are literally only two cases of success with a higher level of opposition, namely Liz (200/72/9) and GoldenRing (178/88/14).

Why is he being so stubborn? Why is he hell bent on pushing this to the bitter end? Does he hate the Bureaucrats, does he really want them to start their summer with an ulcer? It all ties in with the idea this RfA is about proving a point. It aligns perfectly with concerns he is self-centred, arrogant and indeed, stubborn.

I will say it again, contrary to much of the support, there is absolutely nothing about reaching 68 opposes with two days to go, that remotely supports this idea he is perfectly qualified, and RfA just must be all stoopid and broken. This is so high now, it begs the question whether even those seeing a likely net positive candidate, are not smoking crack.

To call this a success now, to dismiss any idea promoting him poses a real risk, really calls into question all previous RfAs, which have seen many a candidate doing this badly withdraw well before this stage, out of respect for the process and their colleagues. This would not be proof RfA is merely broken, it would be proof they've been doing it 100% wrong all along. Do the supporters think they can stand behind that conclusion, given many of them are only Administrators arguably because RfA cannot easily do the job it is tasked with?

We already saw respect for his colleagues and the process was not high on his agenda given the manner of the nomination, but it has been pointed out already, we can now totally forget this idea that annoyance over the manner of the nomination has played any significant role in the level of opposition - take it out and you still have a massively disappointing result for a 'trust me' candidate. At this point he has surely suffered more for not being willing to do anything practical to win over doubters, as well as not rectifying the poor way he stood, for example by not immediately withdrawing and filing with a real statement, presumably as a self-nom, explaining everything about why he was standing, up front.

It speaks directly to his judgement that he didn't immediate reflect and pivot, and has since failed to recognise the point of no return in what unfolded (or has happily walked right past it). If he withdrew now, on the basis he plans to come back in six months with real evidence he can do better, he won't get nearly as much benefit as he would have with a genuine withdrawal. People would remember the intransigence from someone who absolutely should have known better, and that is absolutely not a failing of RfA. It confirms suspicions he knows he has no hope of changing who he is, no hope of living up to some of the supporter's expectations he would take feedback on board, and that is why he seemingly never had any intention of this being anything but a one time offer.

All things considered, the stubborness, the pointyness, the admitted lack of any real need for the tools, the general whining about RfA as a process, I genuinely think he would be happier if he lost.

While some supporters seem happy to hold their nose just for the prize of an Administrator who is also a coder, opposers can obviously clearly see this not really why he nominated himself, and not really what he would confine his tool use to. And it is clearly in the technical space where his sort of issues would cause problems, and there is no pressing reason why he needs to be trusted with the ability to not have to use noticeboards, or in his case his hotline to Bishonen, on those occasions he thinks he has spotted a fool messing with his stuff.

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:36 pm

Classic example of what probably undermines a lot of the support in this RfA, to an eagle eyed Bureaucrat anyway. The very people claiming RexxS is competent and trustworthy, are manifestly proving themselves untrustworthy and incompetent in how they are trying to get RexxS over the line. Begoon has just tried to be cute and construct a defence of RexxS' escalation with Pppery on the basis he is 95% certain he is a sock of Technical13 - "I haven't pursued that because this incarnation is behaving marginally better, making positive contributions, and everyone deserves a second chance."

Policy is clear, none of the myriad of possibilities this raises regarding who knew what and how it influenced their actions, proves anyone to be either competent or trustworthy. Someone as close to Bishonen as RexxS is, can only be harmed by suggestions that he is involved in any of that sort of nudge nudge wink wink pseudo-pragmatism type behaviour. Nor is he helped by any suggestion he would not be able to spot an obvious sock of Technical 13 in his favoured topic area, if that is the truth of the matter. RexxS only comes out if this situation with any credit, if Begoon is found to be doing nothing but smearing an innocent user to aid RexxS's candidacy. And with friends like that.....

Why are they even bothering? If you really need to try this hard to help RexxS prove his credentials, your entire case is clearly bogus, and nobody should be buying what you're selling.

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:13 pm

Strong Oppose. I've interacted with RexxS on one occasion, about a year ago. Clueless, and completely unacceptable behavior. Geogene (talk) 13:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
What a surprise, this incident fits the pattern emerging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... t_Medicine

RexxS inserts himself into an issue in which he may be right, but not obviously so, and it's trivial nature soon far outweighs any benefit of having a protected discussion about it, where inevitably issues of conduct and content soon become needlessly intertwined in a battle for ultimate victory, and where inevitably there are people turning up to do nothing more helpful than offer this view, which you may now recognise from the RfA.....
Rexx is a long time, highly-respected, MEDRS editor who is known for fairness and neutrality. I don't always have to agree with him to know that any other agenda here than to help make this part of WP run as efficiently as possible is a grave error in judgement, and tells me you don't know the history of the editor you are dealing with. Please rethink your position and take your concerns to the right NB. Wiki project medicine isn't it.(Littleolive oil (talk) 19:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC))
Reflecting Fastily's oppose very well, it was undoubtedly drama, it was likely motivated by a sense of ownership, and it was likely fueled and extended because of RexxS' intemperate nature and tendency to wikilawyer.

It will be something the fans of "no nonsense" Administrators will probably admire, their curious philosophy never really noticing their approach usually wastes far more time and generates far more animosity and division than more optimal approaches. Which is why it is also something that looks genuinely unimpressive when measured against what Administrators are supposed to be all about, according to their actual documentation.

It was bad enough for Jytdog to call it rude and regrettable, and K.e.Coffman to call it unacceptable, if you're the kind of person who has in their mind a list of Wikipedians who just know.

RexxS has made certain promises. Promises he likely cannot keep, certainly if it is an issue about accessibility, Lua modules, short descriptions, infoboxes, medical content, diving content, Giano, and Christ knows what else.

Anyone seen Kudpung around btw?

Yeah, thought not. :roll:

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:39 pm

70 opposes. :o

Daily midnight totals..

24/6
60/43 (+36/37)
88/52 (+28/9)
106/61 (+18/9)
124/65 (+18/4)

As of right now...
137/70 (+13/4)

Two whole days left.

Madness.
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Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:07 pm

Desperate times. You won't get RexxS over the line by complaining about opposers' personal attacks - they're only arriving because they remember RexxS' personal attacks! Not hard to see why someone would remember being called a "little bugger" a year later.

Better to concentrate on persuading people RexxS can be trusted to leave this all behind, especially in times of stress. If you can. I'd not take that bet, not in a million years. It's going to happen, so you either oppose, or admit you see it as no big thing, and accept the inevitable consequences for an RfA of there probably being enough people who disagree.

Still, all this focus on personal attacks does rather do him the service of obscuring the fact that these are merely part of a wider pattern of less than desirable traits. As they inevitably always are, for people who don't have a legitimate medical excuse. So maybe they do know what they're doing?

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Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:07 pm

:roll:
No, you're baving in a worse manner; they've merely indulged, supoosedly, in bluntness to the point of rudeness. You, on the other hand, indulge in personal abuse. Happy days! ——SerialNumber54129 14:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
So "clueless" is personal abuse but "prat" and "little bugger" is just bluntness and maybe not even rude?

Amazing.

The fact RexxS has gone to ground rather than step in and remind his gallant defender that (hopefully) these are the exact incidents he regrets and (hopefully) he won't be approaching disputes in this fashion again and (hopefully) provide a reflection on the specific incident and how he sees it now, does rather suggest he is, maybe just a little bit, clueless. In the sense of WP:CLUE, you understand.

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:16 pm

I can't quite believe there are still people registering unexplained support votes. :roll:

Now 138/72/15.

One more oppose drops him back out of the discretionary range yet again, having touched 67% today.

Even if all neutrals switched right now, he would still only be on 68.0%

As it stands, he would need 73 more supporters to reach the magic 75%, and automatic promotion.

He probably going to reach 170 supports, which is arguably where a middle of the road not too good not too bad candidate seems to end up these days. Obviously, they just don't finish with a bucket load of opposes too.

If 170 is par support for a bang average candidate, even they can scrape automatic promotion with opposition as high as 59, so those arguing RfA must be broken if a super qualified person like RexxS doesn't pass, should probably be looking for reasons why he is currently severely lacking in the level of support that should be bringing him, rather than obsessing over why he has 15 more opposes than he should have.

Maybe they're out there, holding out to the very end. Exciting. :twisted:

One thing's for sure, they're going to need to clarify what they think they mean when they say "net positive" candidate. I've assumed it means bang average, not a rockstar but not a Ritchie either. That assumption may not hold, if RexxS is deemed to be one.

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:20 pm

Endorsed by Sarah Welch! :lol:
Support An insightful contributor who understands our policies, procedures, and the behavioral diversity that affect wikipedia everyday. RexxS has contributed to so many helpful tools. He is yes blunt!, yet if you reflect on what he wrote/writes, he comes across as someone who honestly says what he means, and someone willing to say what needs to be said and debated... one of a pre-requisite for a good, effective admin. In my experience, he is careful in not taking sides and encourages creative and constructive compromise... another admin-like attribute that our project should continue to encourage and cherish. About time we give RexxS the admin tools, with thanks for all he has done for wiki-sister projects so far. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

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Re: RexxS for Adminship

Post by CrowsNest » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:37 pm

:lol:
......you could have even withdrawn the DRV if you didn't notice the change until after you posted it. -- Tavix (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

....... If there's a proper way of withdrawing a DRV, I'm afraid I don't know where the documentation for that is. --RexxS (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Really?

Really?

Of course, there are alternative explanations for this comment other than a spectacular example of what a supposedly qualified and competent editor apparently doesn't know, but I fear it would shatter the faith of many a Wikipedian to realise that some of the things RexxS seems to like to do when indulging his darker side, aren't the sort of things you can just switch off, they do tend to always be a part of your personality, always visible, to a lesser or greater degree.

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