RexxS for Adminship

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155/85/16 (64.5%)

Only one more oppose and the Bureaucrats can enjoy their Easter holidays, instead of being given the unenviable task of cooking up some bullshit to get this guy something he says he doesn't even really need or want, and is certainly not willing to come back and ask for at a later date.

It would now take 94 supports to secure this guy automatic promotion. That's beyond crazy.

The entertainment value continues though.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =891444135

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Nominated by one of the most universally respected members of the project. Fixed that for you. ~Swarm~ {sting} 20:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

RexxS has always proved to be a reasonable and amicable person with an even temper, even in heated circumstances. ~Swarm~ {sting · hive} 19:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

One of these statements is already known to be untrue. These people really do take the rest of the community for absolute mugs. And by "these people", I do mean Administrators with attitude problems.

A salient warning against adding to their number, even though it already feels like a literal swarm of them infests the hive.

PROTECT THE QUEEN!

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Pathetic...

RfA
Your oppose vote at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RexxS stated that the nominator was a sock. Bishzilla is an alternative account for Bishonen, an administrator. You have two options: (1) strike your vote or (2) state a different reason for opposing the candidate.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

It does rather raise an interesting question. What are the official bounds for use of alternate accounts that only exist because they are obviously humorous? Can anyone really just create obvious joke accounts and start doing serious stuff like nominating people for Administrator, or is this just a special privelage reserved to her Royal Majesty?

The effect of this idiot's intent to strike will be to reduce the number of civility based opposes RexxS has been attracting, by one. But if you thought Bbb23 was that clever, you'd be wrong. In this instance, he really will simply be thinking he is standing up for some important principle enshrined in WP:SOCK, as well as a bit of personal revenge on the side, no doubt.

That he is doing so while ignoring actually harmful accusations of sock-puppetry that exist in the very same page, is of course entirely normal. He can't be everywhere, indeed he was probable only alerted to this crime using shady back-channels by someone seeing an easy way to reduce RexxS' burden by one.

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159/88/15 (64.37%)

Now one support short of the discretionary zone. They might as well close it now, this thing has been bouncing around the bottom rung of the discretionary zone for at least two days, nothing is likely to change now.

That is only the raw count of course, but neither the true count nor an analysis of the trends or arguments helps RexxS at all. There is only one oppose you can discount for having given no reason at all (Sir Joseph).

He still has the problem of seven people not bothering to say anything at all, just "support". To even get into the discretionary zone, they have to take the absurd view that the joke nomination is a serious one (because the implication must be that this is what they are implicitly supporting, or that this is a self-nomination, just with no actual statement.

Other supporters have been reflecting and going back to affirm their support, perhaps realising it was less than wise to lodge responses as flippant and disrespectful to the process as the 'nomination'. But such reaffirmation has occurred in the opposition too.

Every single oppose addresses the candidate's flaws and mistakes directly, while a significant minority of the support is based only on who is supporting. Much of the opposition asks for very little, just evidence he is what supporters say he is.

The candidate seems unconcerned at this apparent reserve of untapped support. Perhaps because it was apparent early on that even wooing those would not be enough to get him even halfway up the discretionary range, much less an automatic promotion. He basically said early on that there was no way he was coming back for a second time, which immediately casts doubt on those supporters testifying to his reasonableness and willingness to compromise.

Other than the supporters' increasing levels of panic, desperation and despair at realising their views of what makes a good Administrator are not shared as much as they thought, there is no identifiable trend in voter movement over the seven days. People switched all over the place in all directions, so it would be quite false to say the candidate has used this time and the feedback wisely. Several people were so concerned they waited until they felt they could make a decision, and those people, seeing the decision time approach, have broken all ways, to support, oppose and neutral. As such, the trends are not persuasive that the numerical result hides a higher level of support in some sort of trueer consensus.

You would need a spreadsheet to properly analyse which voters are strong/weak, but there is a case to be made these qualifiers are irrelevant. If you care about them, then even a quick look reveals there is either no trend, or if there is it merely reflects what you might expect for a candidate achieving a rather miserable overall tally.

Bureaucrats have one play to make here - to argue that the emphatic and detailed nature of the reasoning of the support is enough (seven mute voters notwithstanding) is telling. They have to ignore the fact it is pretty split between those who are wholly convinced, those who think RexxS is just meh, and those who think RexxS is a risk, but a risk worth taking.

What absolutely destroys this candidacy, is the uniformity of opposition. They have a strong case, a lack of civility and the wrong temperament is absolutely a disqualifying factor, and policy is pretty clear - editors can have bad days, they are allowed to be frustrated, but opposers show no sign of expecting perfection, they merely expect the higher standard Adminship implies.

They are clearly not seeing it in the evidence, which is clearly, obviously, not the result of an exhaustive or deep dive search of his eleven even year edit history, which is perhaps the single biggest lie told by the supporters - a lie which has contaminated much of the support because others have unwisely chosen to endorse the votes of the people who told it.

You could probably strike at least twenty supports on that unicorn bullshit alone. Not one of those liars has had the integrity to admit they aren't even honestly reflecting what the candidate has said about his own perceptions of his performance, which is still not, after having eleven years to learn, good enough, in his view. Hence his promise to do better if trusted with Adminship.

Evidence has been presented that if RexxS only slips when he gets frustrated or annoyed, it is invariably over something trivial in the grand scheme of things. And by any measure, stuff like accessibility and short descriptions is at the low end of stuff which Wikipedians are likely to get into heated arguments about. He has said he wants to work the AE board. That is serious stuff.

One Administrator who specifically does the thankless work at AE, who specifically saught assurances via questioning that RexxS' presence as another Sheriff in town would not make an already tough beat harder, is unconvinced, and has opposed. An Arbitrator no less, in whose name the AE board operates, is opposing based on RexxS' record of ill-judgement. Another Arbitrator, the first in recent memory to break the establishment grip on the Committee, has opposed on grounds of incivility.

A few other opposes from standing Administrators also stand out, if you value those who just know, as Kudpung and several other supporters demand you should. Fastily is the guy who deletes most of the stuff that gets deleted from Wikipedia, and in that role he has the backing of no bigger beast than NewYorkBrad. In opposing, Fastily has called RexxS a drama magnet, and the RfA has featured lots questions surrounding his approach to deletion.

BrownHairedGirl pretty much single-handedly keeps the category system collapsing in the face of ignorant prats like Drmies. And she wants no part of RexxS being an Administrator, again citing his civility and judgement. Oswah and Anthony Bradbury handle more than their fair share of unblocks, and they're unimpressed by RexxS' judgement and temperament. I could go on - Tavix, Rschen, Xaosflux, Ajraddatz, Ad Orientem, Beeblebrox, Dane, Lord Roem, these are all people who, if the Wikipedia community is to be believed, would know.

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161/90/15 (64.1%)

The trend is clear. Rinse and repeat this cycle....

-oppose, after much research, still unconvinced he has the temperament/judgement required
-neutral, maybe try again in six months?
-supoort, I have met RexxS, he would be a net benefit

Numerically speaking, with four more hours of that until this becomes overdue for closing, he might need an eleventh hour swing of five or more supports just to get into the discretionary zone. I can see it being closed mere seconds after the official seven day point, just to stop the bleeding.

If there is a more embarrassing way to secure Adminship, a way that would more thoroughly discredit the process, I do not know what it might be.



Still, funny as hell. In a macabre way.

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Fuck. Me. Sideways.

How is it possible there are still DESPERATE and BLIND support votes like this being seen?

Support – I hope this does go to a 'crat chat and that significant consideration is given to disregarding opposes based on the nominator, timing, and concerns that are trivial. RexxS is a long-standing editor who has contributed substantially, and there is little evidence presented of a likelihood to misuse the tools. Civility concerns are reasonable, but speaking directly is appropriate at times and hopefully RexxS will take care not to be bitey. If this RfA fails without even making the discretionary range then I fear the message will be the opposite of what Carcharoth suggests to other long-term editors who fear that an RfA will become a forum to criticise their shortcomings and largely disregard their years of useful contributions. EdChem (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I mean, What The Fuck. They know people can read this shit, right?

I hope this does go to a 'crat chat

At this point, that is all you have numbnuts. If he gets into the discretionary zone, it will be by the SKIN OF HIS TEETH.

and that significant consideration is given to disregarding opposes based on the nominator, trivial

Newsflash - get your fingers out and count how few opposes are based on that alone. Hint: you won't need your fucking toes.

concerns that are trivial.

Such as?

RexxS is a long-standing editor who has contributed substantially

Yeah, I think people know that by now. Even without a proper nomination statement telling people who didn't know. Has it persuaded anyone to any great degree yet?

, and there is little evidence presented of a likelihood to misuse the tools.

Depends on what we consider evidence. We have seen examples of RexxS choosing not to follow procedure when it suits, and having no justification for it. We know he knows what IAR is, per his very good answer to the question, so what's that about, genius? We have seen him take odd and even bizarre interpretations of policy when it suits. We have seen several Administrators and above oppose, and they can't all be doing so just because they don't like RexxS. So what are you disputing? The amount, the signficance, or your colleague's skills at risk assesment?

Civility concerns are reasonable,

Gee, thanks for conceding that point. Some would say they are the strongest reason you can have, such as, well, bureaucrats, in the last (only?) example of someone with 80+ opposes needing a 'crat chat to pass. Hint: he was not opposed for civility. Whisper it quietly, but some participants even seem to think Civility is still a policy. So yeah, reasonable. How big of you.

but speaking directly is appropriate at times

Feel free to give specifics. Which of the incidents that have been identified, do you think fit this bill? At the very least, unless you really are an idiot, calling people idiots, even if couched in quaint British slang terms, is never appropriate.

and hopefully RexxS will take care not to be bitey.

Hopefully? Good to have hope, right? Better to have evidence. Just six months of not being a prick. Why can we not have it?

If this RfA fails without even making the discretionary range then I fear the message will be the opposite of what Carcharoth suggests to other long-term editors who fear that an RfA will become a forum to criticise their shortcomings and largely disregard their years of useful contributions.

And your solution is what? Expand the discretionary range so it becomes the norm that not even 90+ opposes is enough to kill a candidacy, or find a new way you can discount the opposition you don't like?

You sorry sacks of shit have got 1 hour left. I suggest you use it to say something that actually matches the facts on the ground. The time for casting the opposition as what you think or hope it is, has long gone. You tried lying about the evidence, you tried smearing the opposition, you tried pretending this is simply all about the sheer fucking arrogance of Bishonen (and you really should reassess how much tolerance there is for her continuing Regency act).

It has not worked.

Your boy is in a death slide, hasn't increased his percent support level all day that I can see, and all his supporters can think to do now, is argue he should be the one offended for this being called a WP:NOTNOW or WP:SNOW case. That's a pretty precious outlook for people who supposedly don't mind a bit of no nonsense plain speaking. The no nonsense plain speaking description for this candicacy, specifically how RexxS has conducted it after day one, is a little harsher than that.

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Last three opposes have been from a massively experienced Administrator, a medium experience editor (45,000+ edits), and a relative novice (just into their wiki sophomore year), someone who has obviously read the manual of what an Administrator is.

Guess which one the supporters are haranguing?

But hey, the issue is obviously something else other than RexxS not being worthy of the trust of the community......

Shameful really. If this RfA has shown anything is broken about the process, it is the desperate lengths to which desperate people will go to, to abuse it.

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Now eligible for closure......

Final tally, 163/92/15 (63.9%)

No last minute flood of support despite him only needing a handful more to make it clear it was at least a legitimate case of falling within the discretionary zone. That is very telling.

A Bureaucrat needs to find three oppose votes they can declare totally invalid before he even makes it into the zone, and that would only be because 64.68% rounds up to 65.

Showing he does at least have some integrity, albeit with questionable judgement over how long he waited to say it, RexxS has at least finally made his position known on those (few) opposes who mentioned the nature of the nomination......

Could get a crat chat on this even if the support percentage is slightly under 65%? The whole "is this an April Fools' joke or not" seems to have complicated things at the onset, and I see several !votes predicated on the argument that we do or do not need this kind of mentality towards adminship. --Joshualouie711talk 16:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Joshualouie711: I wouldn't want to put the 'crats in such an invidious position. My sense of humour is what it is; and if folks think the style of nomination, the status of the nominator, or the day of nomination are sufficiently important reasons for them to oppose, then that's surely their right. I ran on the ticket that adminship is no big deal, and I'm equally sure lack of adminship is no big deal either. I'm perfectly content to accept the community's decision. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I take that a sign he has conceded defeat, because discounting those votes was the only sure fire way he could conceivably be considered to have comfortably cleared the bar of 65%, and indeed also would have been crucial in finding reasons to ignore such a massive level of opposition.

It was most fitting that even as he said thst, the guy who has done his damndest to misrepresent the evidence in RexxS' favour (as RexxS stood by and said nothing), finally revealed he really would stoop to any level, or really is just that thick......

Just adding that I hope this is decided based on the nominee, and not based on the nominator, or what they wrote, or from which account, etc., or anything else outside the nominee's control. Leviv ich 16:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

It is of course, as a point of indisputable fact, entirely within a nominee's control to dictate by whom they are nominated, and even what they say. There is no rule that the nomination statement has to be kept from the candidate, and it is quite usual for it to be drafted together. If the nominee doesn't agree with it, they have the option not to accept the nomination before it is filed, or accept it but then provide as much clarification or correction as they see fit.

It was entirely RexxS' mistake to choose who he did, and entirely his mistake to stand by what she said, and entirely his fault that there was so much confusion (largely in the supporters) as to whether it was an April Fool. He literally picked the day, as was already known before this idiot said what he did about it somehow being outside of his control.

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What a horror show....

(generates graphs of support/oppose and percentage over time)

https://tools.wmflabs.org/apersonbot/vo ... ship/RexxS

That was one hell of a dead cat bounce.

The trends compare poorly even against GoldenRing, the only candidate in history with comparable levels of opposition, who actually passed.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/apersonbot/vo ... GoldenRing

After some signs he could have pulled it out the shitter, RexxS' candidacy was only heading one way after it became clear he wasn't considering withdrawal, and once his so called supporters started to really lie their assess off.

He could have turned it around, he could have pulled this off, there were things he could have said and done. Let's assume he is as competent and capable as his supporters claimed. Then we are forced to conclude that the reason he did not do what he needed to do, speaks directly to his character and judgement.

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Doesn't look like anyone wants to close it, or take advantage of the fact it is not closed yet......

ZOMBIE RFA!