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737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby ericbarbour » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:19 pm

This is the best write-up I've yet seen about the 737-Max debacle. As I expected, it was insane greed and union-busting that eventually crashed two airliners full of people. The part about Southwest Airlines manipulating Boeing's finances and stock price, that i did NOT know about. Perhaps Boeing has outlived their usefulness and deserves to be shut down. (And of course they won't be, because they are a major defense contractor and therefore "too important to fail".)

https://newrepublic.com/article/154944/ ... revolution
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby ericbarbour » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:31 pm

Oh btw: paid editor....when he first started in 2007, in between the babbling about baseball, "Monowi" quietly posted some "purified" McDonnell-Douglas content.

John McDonnell helped to run his father's corporation into the ground, and you can't read about THAT on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McDonnell_(businessman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Monowi&dir=prev&target=Monowi

Monowi also wrote this piece of friendly crap. Bet he was one of the nameless McDonnell employees who worked on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90_Days
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Postby JuiceBeetle » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:39 am

After the managers of McDonnell-Douglas drove their company into the ground, "McD-D bought Boeing with Boeing's money", and the managers of McD-D continued their destruction in Boeing. Result: new factory in the cheap-workforce South Carolina (no unions there), 737 NGs breaking in 3 parts after runway excursion (those built in South Carolina), 787 batteries burning, airlines not buying 787s built in South Carolina, KC-46 tanker full of trash upon delivery, the fueling boom destroys the A-10 (design within specifications...), 737 Max MCAS development outsourced to indian workforce with 9$/hour wage, this MCAS downing 2 brand new planes, killing 346 people within 6 months...

The myth of Boeing safety is long gone. If Boeing is to regain it's quality and trust in the next decade, then all the profit first, safety next businessmen has to go (basically the whole management).
When Muilenburg was asked if he's about to resign, he claimed he is necessary to resolve the Max issue (my words). As if he's not the problem himself. This is ridiculous. If he was a Japanese CEO, he would have committed seppuku after a public, crying apology.
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Postby Graaf Statler » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:54 am

It is complete madness. Passengers and pilots had many times complained and still they where flying with those plains.
This is ridiculous. If he was a Japanese CEO, he would have committed seppuku after a public, crying apology.

Why not in America the same after hundreds of dead people?
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby Carrite » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:41 am

ericbarbour wrote:This is the best write-up I've yet seen about the 737-Max debacle. As I expected, it was insane greed and union-busting that eventually crashed two airliners full of people. The part about Southwest Airlines manipulating Boeing's finances and stock price, that i did NOT know about. Perhaps Boeing has outlived their usefulness and deserves to be shut down. (And of course they won't be, because they are a major defense contractor and therefore "too important to fail".)

https://newrepublic.com/article/154944/ ... revolution


That's a fantastic article.

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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby JuiceBeetle » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:48 pm

https://newrepublic.com/article/154944/boeing-737-max-investigation-indonesia-lion-air-ethiopian-airlines-managerial-revolution
"It smacked of the sort of screwup a 23-year-old intern might have made"
Holy moly, that's what I used to say back in March... did this guy read my posts?
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby JuiceBeetle » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:31 pm

Few reports and articles, that show the crucial elements of the tragedies, without the usual bullshit:

I like Juan Browne's (Boeing 777 First Officer) vlog updates on the 737 Max saga. He gives a humane, and understandable perspective, with technical details, and only a few minor technical mistakes. 2 recent, bigger updates:
Sep 27 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlocOX7tuU0&t=157
Aug 30 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dMlbCPmX0

Mentour Pilot's simulation of the overspeed situation on ET302 is the only one available to the public. This is a controlled environment, the real situation had more warning sounds, and erratic flying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoNOVlxJmow&t=734
Trim illustration: https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/vestigal-design-issue-clouds-737-max-crash-investigations/

There was a very good Vox summary for laymen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tuKiiznsY

Non-journalist perspective: How the Boeing 737 Max Disaster Looks to a Software Developer
https://web.archive.org/web/20190424114042/https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/how-the-boeing-737-max-disaster-looks-to-a-software-developer

Aviation journalist's analysis and the stunning data recorder graphs:
https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/05/bjorns-corner-et302-crash-report-the-first-analysis/
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby JuiceBeetle » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Dennis Muilenburg demoted from Boeing board of directors chairman but keeps CEO position, and he's still a member of the board.

Dominic Gates at Seattle Times:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/muilenburg-out-as-boeing-chairman-keeps-ceo-position/

Juan Browne (Blancolirio channel) opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHF54xtqrUg&list=PL6SYmp3qb3uPp1DS7fDy7I6y11MIMgnbO
Dennis Muilenburg was demoted as chairman of the board of directors at Boeing, however he will retain his position at this time as CEO chief executive officer and as a member of the board on the board of directors at Boeing. He will no longer however be the chairman of the board at Boeing. In his place will be Boeing board member David Calhoun.

Here's what I really think. What I really think is Dave Calhoun is coming in as the - this is my opinion by the way - is coming in as the chairman of the board. He has little patience for managers that don't make their goals, he is basically putting Muilenburg on notice: you got to get this company unscrewed out of the 737 max disaster, and then we'll review your performance and review the possibility of you continuing as CEO. In fact what's probably going to happen is Calhoun will end up becoming CEO of Boeing once the 737 maxes are back in the air.
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby ericbarbour » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:04 pm

Here's what I really think. What I really think is Dave Calhoun is coming in as the - this is my opinion by the way - is coming in as the chairman of the board. He has little patience for managers that don't make their goals, he is basically putting Muilenburg on notice: you got to get this company unscrewed out of the 737 max disaster, and then we'll review your performance and review the possibility of you continuing as CEO. In fact what's probably going to happen is Calhoun will end up becoming CEO of Boeing once the 737 maxes are back in the air.

Like the Mafia, eh? Once you're a "made man" you "can't screw up TOO badly." And we know how well that worked for the Gambino family.
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Re: 737-MAX and how not to run an airplane company

Postby Graaf Statler » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:10 am

Bad is good in America, isn't it?

We Europeans know a very little about America under the surface, we only think we do. We only know America from a tourist visit, or not even but only from the TV.

Yeh, I suggest to offer you and Steln a European passport just like Jimmy (still) has, but most American peeps not because Any Rand is like Jezus for them deep in their heart.

In japan the COE had made in public his excuse, in Europe there had been commissions to investigate anything with confronting rapports and newspaper articles, but in America...... not.

Be bad is good in the US of A. Be even worser is better. Be as bad as you can and grip what you can. Be immoral. Our new messias is our Any.

In Europe if you do so you and your family can only walk with a bag over their head in the streets but everyone is still pointed at you if you should have done this.

But in America you get even a better job as a reward if you have screwed anything, see James Alexander.
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